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Barackolypse Now: The End of the World as We've Come to Know It.

Change has been delivered.

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Two years. A hard-fought primary. An historic post-convention push for the White House from the campaigns of Senators Barack Obama and John McCain. Countless gaffes. A few deal-breaking blunders. The first black President-elect in the history of the United States. History has been made.

John McCain and Sarah Palin stepped out onto the stage in Arizona to deliver a somber, touching concession speech. Watching, one could almost see the specter of "presidential candidate John McCain" exorcised from the honorable body of the John McCain many of us remember as a centrist; a true Maverick.

A John McCain who silences a crowd of bitter supporters when they boo the historic success of Barack Obama. A John McCain who promises to work hard for the man who just capped off a perfectly orchestrated landslide victory for the White House. A John McCain without the look of desperation, and without the angry rhetoric inherent in a campaign gasping for air.

A John McCain who might have won the White House, had he campaigned.

Barack Obama walked onto the stage, stood in front of a million supporters, black, white, gay, straight, male, female, young and old. Exit polls, as well as the waiting crowd, point to a united electorate, spanning all divides, eager for the change that has been promised.

That promise has been kept: Change has been delivered.

It's impossible to know the scope of what's just happened, but you could see it in the eyes of black supporters, you could hear it in their cries of joy, their inability to articulate their thoughts, often -- their inability to speak at all.

In one night, America stood up to reject racism. We've cast aside our differences. Yes, there are still challenges that we must overcome, and racism and bigotry still exists -- may always exist -- but for one night, we've proven that we're better than our past. The world is watching, and change has been delivered.

There are those, no doubt, who will begrudge this moment, this victory. Those who repeated the lies and the misrepresentations with glee, the disingenuous doomsayers who would have America live and vote in fear, yet again. Barring a mass-migration to Canada, one suspects we've not heard the last of this contingent.

America threw that fear back at those who peddled it, and change has been delivered.

In January, despite the exaggerated claims, despite the negativity, the White House will be occupied by an inspiring new President, his beautiful wife and daughters, and their new puppy -- the spoils of two years of hard work and time away from home.

If there's any humor, any gentle poke at those who absurdly cried "socialist!" right up to the finish line:

The puppies name?

Karl Barx.

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{"commentId":3901517,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

What of Palin?

Many see her as the new face of the Republican Party, but I disagree. I think she'll be seen as a major factor in the McCain loss. I think she was a poor choice, a strategic gamble gone wrong, but I think she made too many mistakes on her own, compounding the mistakes of having her on the ticket, period.

I think Republicans will look at the lopsided victory, and I think they'll move to the center, not to the right.

My hope is that we'll see very little of Sarah Palin over the next four years, and that we'll see her suffer a primary loss in the next election cycle. I think her chance ended last night.

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  • 16 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:04 AM EST
{"commentId":3901821,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Here's a scenario for ya -

Stevens wins re-election, but because of his recent convictions doesn't return to the Senate. It falls to Governor Palin to appoint his successor.

Governor Palin appoints... Sarah Palin.

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  • 15 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:11 AM EST
{"commentId":3902063,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I suppose that could happen. (Not sure if it's possible, either.) I'm not sure why she'd want to, though. Her job as Governor is pretty cushy, and four years of executive experience might actually be her best bet. Especially if she can regain any of the popularity she's lost by being a completely polarizing candidate for VP.

I think her only hope is if things are worse in four years than they are now, or perhaps if Obama makes abortion and gay marriage mandatory.

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  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:17 AM EST
{"commentId":3902095,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}

I agree. McCain praised her for her campaign efforts during his concession speech, which was a gracious and honorable thing to do. But I can't help but think that he knows what's coming. He's been in DC long enough to know what will happen when the pundits and hard-liners start to analyze what went wrong. It was almost like saying, "I'm going to congratulate you tonight, because I know tomorrow they're going to crucify you." Kind of sad, but it would be sadder if she didn't deserve it.

Now time and results will heal the wounds of the McCain supporters. I think people have a tendency to exaggerate their feelings during election season, to get more passionate about it than they really are. Now we'll watch, and wait, and hope that Obama succeeds. When he does, it will convince most of the skeptics, and those it doesn't are beyond convincing anyway.

I didn't think Obama's acceptance speech was his most powerful recently -- for that, I would have to point to his closing arguments at the live portion of his primetime infomercial. But it was effective and reminded people that the real hardships are coming, and we need to work together on them. Support from McCain in the Senate will certainly help, and I have faith that the Maverick will make good on his word there.

Karl Barx.

The promise of a puppy in an acceptance speech was about the most adorable political thing ever. Not that it has much competition, I suppose.

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  • 17 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:17 AM EST
{"commentId":3902331,"authorDomain":"ombra"}

if Obama makes abortion and gay marriage mandatory.

Wait.... It gonna be mandatory?

I better hurry up and start looking for a REALLY rich old man then...   ;)

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  • 10 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:23 AM EST
{"commentId":3902405,"authorDomain":"anthopos"}

Stevens wins re-election, but because of his recent convictions doesn't return to the Senate. It falls to Governor Palin to appoint his successor.

I've been predicting that for a few days, but Wikipedia says that Alaska is the only state that has NOT authorized the governor to fill Senate vacancies.

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  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:25 AM EST
{"commentId":3902922,"authorDomain":"ombra"}

She can only fill the seat on a temporary basis, then it has to go to another election.

But I think even Alaskan law is confusing.

Nobody can say for sure.

That's because Alaska's law on senatorial succession was changed twice in 2004 -- once by the Legislature, and once by ballot initiative. Both laws call for a special election within 60 to 90 days of the vacancy. But they disagree on whether the governor appoints an interim senator in the meantime.

Stevens could keep seat in Senate

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:39 AM EST
{"commentId":3904216,"authorDomain":"spikegary"}

When he does, it will convince most of the skeptics, and those it doesn't are beyond convincing anyway.

Steve,

Now the election is over, I hope you are right, but you didn't address if he doesn't succeed.  I'm not saying he won't succeed, but there is a lot and will be alot standing in his way.  Looking at the other side of the coin is always worthwhile.

McCain showed real class-I believe he will work to help the America he believes in recover form the current state of affairs.

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  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:12 AM EST
{"commentId":3906017,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

I didn't think Obama's acceptance speech was his most powerful recently

I thought it was good because it tied in points from speeches he's made since '04 and summed up what he's been running for. He had the "This isn't about me, it's about all of you," the "I wasn't the most likely candidate," the "if you disagree with me I'll still be your President," the "No red state or blue states, just United States," and of course the "Yes we can" invocation at the end.

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  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:54 AM EST
{"commentId":3907271,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}

Spikgary: I like to stay positive, but that's a fair point.

If he doesn't succeed, we'll see the divisive politics of this year played out again in 2012. Maybe 2010 if his opponents are impatient. Those still in his camp will insist that there were obstacles, including lack of bi-partisan support, to affect real change. Those against him will say he made too many lofty promises.

And realistically, maybe he did. Or rather, maybe his supporters did on his behalf. He wants to bring change to Washington, but in most of his speeches he stays realistic. He says it's going to be hard, and he's not a miracle worker, and change comes with the support of everyone. If anyone is expecting him to single-handedly turn the entire country around, they're kidding themselves. But I have faith that he'll do his best and that's all we can really ask. At least it will be nice to have a President that foreign nations respect, and who respects us citizens in return.

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  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:23 PM EST
{"commentId":3908507,"authorDomain":"ccackerman"}

I suppose Palin and her extreme religious allies will be more careful before placing the election in "God's hands" next time. Guess the God of the "rest of us" had other plans...

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  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:52 PM EST
{"commentId":3909263,"authorDomain":"ronblack66"}

"We must create a climate of anti-nationalism and anti-racialism amongst whites.  We must reduce patriotism and pride of race to meaningless abstractions and make racialism a dirty word."    --- Bolshevik leader Selenkov,  Moscow  1922

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  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:10 PM EST
{"commentId":3913097,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}

 Change has been delivered.

All the late-night guys are going to have to come up with a new topic for their material. 

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  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:38 PM EST
{"commentId":3914711,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

Stevens wins re-election, but because of his recent convictions doesn't return to the Senate. It falls to Governor Palin to appoint his successor.

Governor Palin appoints... Sarah Palin.

That's kinda political suicide if she does plan to run again in 2012. The last Senator to win the Presidency (who wasn't running against another Senator) was all the way back with JFK.

Personally, I think Palin goes the way of John Edwards. Lots of noise, a little support, but doesn't even make it down to the wire in the 2012 primary.

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  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:13 PM EST
{"commentId":3917652,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

I don't usually watch the mainstream media. But I did tune into CNN and MSNBC last night.

At the crucial point just after Pennsylvania went for Obama, they brought on a republican strategist who pointed out that the state was lost because of the disgraceful behavior and values that Palin brought on board.  He brought up a map and pointed to traditionally republican  suburbs surrounding Philadelphia that all went for Obama and a democrat in a huge first!

Its why there is not a single republican senator left in the northeast US today and its also why the California republican party is incapable of mounting any serious campaigns other than hate tactics.

Lots to do. Great article. We need a scrapbook of these put together laying out the big picture.  The door to the future has opened.  The world will be there for us if we act with the best of intentions rather than the manipulative agendas of the past.

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  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:19 PM EST
{"commentId":3918111,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

He brought up a map and pointed to traditionally republican suburbs surrounding Philadelphia that all went for Obama and a democrat in a huge first!

As a resident of the suburbs surrounding Philadelphia I'll just point out that they are in no way traditionally Republican, at least on a national level. They are more or less purple, and have been for some time.

Its why there is not a single republican senator left in the northeast US today

Um, Arlen Specter anyone?

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  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:30 PM EST
{"commentId":3918206,"authorDomain":"loosecannon"}

Umm, is Maine still in the Northeast? They have a couple of them.

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  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:33 PM EST
{"commentId":3920121,"authorDomain":"ronblack66"}

Um, Arlen Specter anyone?

Like energynet said, it's why there is not a single republican senator left in the northeast US today.

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  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:28 PM EST
{"commentId":3927105,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

thought it was senators, or was it in the house reps? Just reguritating the MSM.

The point of the comment was that Pallin turned off a lot of moderates.

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  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 9:48 PM EST
{"commentId":3928555,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

thought it was senators, or was it in the house reps? Just reguritating the MSM.

It's neither. Specter is in PA, and there are tons of Reps all over the place. Chris Smith in NJ for example. Guess the MSM is wrong again.

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    #1.19 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:44 PM EST
    {"commentId":3932293,"authorDomain":"jck80"}

    ...perhaps if Obama makes abortion and gay marriage mandatory.

    Huh?  I'm pretty sure I know what you meant so I'm going to take that as being totally worded wrong.

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    • 1 vote
    #1.20 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:23 AM EST
    {"commentId":3945041,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

    Chris Shays was the last Republican House member from New England.  New Hampshire also has two GOP Senators (or did, until Sununu lost).  New York and New Jersey are not typically included in New England.

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    • 1 vote
    #1.21 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:03 PM EST
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    {"commentId":3904192,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Brian -

    Nice article.  I think it captures the moment very well.  I also saw the 'real' McCain emerge on the concession platform last night and agree with what I think you said - that he would have done better, and perhaps even won, if his 'real' self had campaigned.  I certainly don't follow Republican politics, and all my comments about them are made under correction, but it seems to me that McCain brought in the wrong set of campaign advisors.  What worked in previous elections just wasn't tracking any more.  Folks can say that the economic crisis is what 'done him in', and to a certain degree that may be true.  I think that his advisors were largely one-note, negative players.  They didn't have the intellect to quickly adapt to the changing economic situation and put forward a winning approach.  All they knew was to pump up the negativity - and that didn't work.  McCain's failed attempt at leadership in that domestic 'crisis' was, I think, the turning point for his campaign.

    His pick of Palin was a gamble that didn't work given the economic climate - perhaps it would have fared better if the economy hadn't tumbled.  On several occasions McCain said that economics wasn't his strong suit - and that he'd look for a VP candidate to help him on that topic.  Just before the convention the economy wasn't in great shape, but it hadn't collapsed yet.  It seems to me that he gambled that the economy would limp along, and that the collective voting population would remain (as Herman Hickman, the Yale football coach used to say of the alumni) "sullen, but not mutinous".  Thus, he turned his attention to the far-right base thinking (or hoping) that the economy would take care of itself at least until after the election.  When the economy took a dive - he had no real economic strategy and noone to help him develop one that would address the problem.  I think Holtz-Eakin has some good ideas, but it seems to me that the other economic advisors (especially if he was still listening to Gramm and Laffer) had views counter to what is needed.  Palin certainly wasn't any help, regardless of her administrative experience.  The voting public stopped being sullen and turned mutinous.

    Steve -  I think you make some good points, too.  I agree that neither side has a monopoly on hyperbole - and that we do have a tendency to exaggerate during election season.  I think that's good, because the polar statements define the 'middle'.  Now - we have to catch our breath and see what happens.  I believe that while Obama surely has a left-of-middle philosophy, he's enough of a pragmatist to keep more to the middle in order to make the changes we need.  "Baby steps" rather than strides that would be unworkable.

    I liked his acceptance speech a lot.  It may not have been as powerful as his recent stump speeches, but I think he did that on purpose.  It's time to calm folks down - it's time to make measured and well-considered actions.  I like the speech because he emphasized his view that now we have an opportunity to work together rather follow the lead of some past acceptance speeches than focused on the opportunity for 'us' now to correct the wrongs imposed by 'them'.  I liked his Lincoln quotes.  I more than half-expected him to bring out the "with malice toward none, with charity for all..." line, but now that I think about it perhaps that would have seemed too condescending.

    All in all - I'm optimistic.

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    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:11 AM EST
    {"commentId":3904456,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    I liked his acceptance speech a lot.  It may not have been as powerful as his recent stump speeches, but I think he did that on purpose.

    I'm not so sure. I thought the portion where he framed his thoughts around a 106-year-old woman and what she had seen in her lifetime -- only to then say: "What will my daughters have seen if they make it to 106" was incredibly powerful.

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    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:17 AM EST
    {"commentId":3904888,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Brian -

    I'm afraid I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked - that's what happens when I write text quickly for blog posts.  Sorry.

    I intended 'powerful' in the sense of 'energetic', 'dynamic' or 'challenging'. 

    If we consider 'powerful' to be considered more in the sense of 'thought-provoking' or 'inspirational' then I totally agree with you - it was a very powerful speech - especially the segment about 106-year-old woman.

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    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:28 AM EST
    {"commentId":3905283,"authorDomain":"ombra"}

    What will my daughters have seen if they make it to 106

    That, to me, was the most powerful statement, and the best reflection on my decision making. I was reminded how much had happened and how many things have changed in my lifetime. I'm at an age when I think less about how government will affect me, and a lot more about how it will affect my children and especially my grandchildren.

    I want them to have a better life and not have to pay for our mistakes.

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    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:37 AM EST
    {"commentId":3905326,"authorDomain":"anthopos"}

    I thought that he seemed happy, but subdued, during and after the speech.  Which made his smile just before he stepped off stage all the more beautiful.

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    • 4 votes
    #2.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST
    {"commentId":3906203,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

    I thought that he seemed happy, but subdued, during and after the speech.

    He was probably thinking about his grandmother. It's really sad she didn't make it to see this.

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    • 9 votes
    #2.5 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:58 AM EST
    {"commentId":3908312,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    A friend recently observed that there's something almost literary about the woman who raised him dying on the eve of his election - it's one final memento mori, an enormous dose of humility strong enough to balance the inevitable hubris of power.

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    • 9 votes
    #2.6 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":3923518,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

    Yes, Myk, that it is, a very moving observation.

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    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:27 PM EST
    {"commentId":3923617,"authorDomain":"loosecannon"}

    I think he was being careful not to be all smiles last night. It was a time for great humility, and that's not consistent with that 10,000-watt smile he's got. The message was that there's plenty of work yet to do, and I don't think he wanted anyone to think that he was content with just winning the election.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.8 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":3932323,"authorDomain":"jck80"}

    It's really sad she didn't make it to see this.

    She saw it.

    There is never a convenient time for death...however, I firmly believe she knew her grandson had already succeeded without the final victory...it was "her moment" to move on and let him have "his moment."

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    • 3 votes
    #2.9 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:30 AM EST
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    {"commentId":3906370,"authorDomain":"keavinkirby"}

    I have to give John McCain lots of credit for his speech and him silencing the booing horde at his concession speech. That's the John McCain I admired, that's the guy I thought should have beaten Bush in 2000, not the angry, negative man who ran for president this year. I wonder what he thinks about his political career now. He seems almost snakebitten. In 2000 he ran an honorable, truthful campaign, but his party did him dirty. In 2008 he goes negative and attacks at every turn, and gets throttled by Obama.

    Senator Obama.....President-elect Obama...I'm still stunned to say the words. I'm a young black male and even I was afraid that this moment would never be possible. I wasn't born here, but grew up in the US and learned of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, poll taxes, fire hoses and attack dogs. For some they may think that the 40-some years between the civil rights act and now is a long time, but to blacks it's really not, considering that 400 years ago, my long dead relative might have been your relative's slave in the Caribbean or in Africa. I go to grad school, and I sit next to whites, asians, blacks, Middle easterners, hispanics, Indians. 50 years ago that was not possible or allowed in many quarters of this nation. I couldn't look at a white woman for fears of lynching or having a cross burned on my lawn.

    This is not meant to be a guilt-trip piece, because we are past that as a nation. I say WE because WE  are the United States of America, one nation under God (whether you believe in him or not), indivisible. Our paths have been rough and at times divisive, but I feel we are on the same path. It's not going to be easy to understand what our country will be in a few years, because we have lots to do and lots to work on. But unlike some of those who view America as just fine the way it is and see no reason to improve, we have to improve, because it is our destiny and purpose to improve.

    We may not see it that way as Americans, but the world looks up to us. As a first generation immigrant I see it all the time. The opportunities here aren't available all over the world, and we should always cherish what this country offers us: Hope. People come here because here you can be who you are, and become what you want to. This is the nation that says YES YOU CAN, no matter your color or religion. Today we live up to the promise of the Declaration of Independence, that all men and women are created equal.

    I know I might have gone off-topic, but I felt it had to be said.

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    • 9 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":3906733,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Keav -

    Well said.

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    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:10 PM EST
    {"commentId":3923690,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

    Keav: You are so right.

    some they may think that the 40-some years between the civil rights act and now is a long time,

    I'm in my 60s, and for me the 60s were not long ago at all. I rejoice that so much has been accomplished in my lifetime, during that 40 years. That now historical fact is one that my generation fought for in a civil rather than a warlike manner, and, I believe that this is the way of the future.

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      #3.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:33 PM EST
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      {"commentId":3907248,"authorDomain":"curvan77"}

      Have my fingers crossed in the hope that after all the votes are tabulated that "8" in California passes and to clarify I mean that gay marriages become legal in California and eventually in all states. Up here in Canada gay marriage has been the law for 5 plus years now and it has not hurt our country or affected tradional marriages whatsoever. Those of us who are gay only want one thing and that is to be recognized as useful patriotic citizens who contribute a great deal of good to society in general. On August 29th of this year my husband and I celebrated our 5th year of marriage and 32 years together in total. We are happy, involved in our community, accepted in our community and have many many friends the vast majority of which are heterosexual. It is time or near time that Americans in general accept the reality that gay are a natural part of the world's society and deserve all the rights that every citizen in the democratic world expects. God blesses all people, all countries and he alone will and should make the judgement.

      Good luck American citizens, you have just made history in the most positive of ways and I believe you have turned a significant corner. A new future for America is at hand and I hope you all work to ensure that around that corner great changes will happen! 

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:22 PM EST
      {"commentId":3907649,"authorDomain":"anthopos"}

      Prop 8 passed, which means that gay marriages are NOT legal in California and that hopes for legalization in other states have received a severe blow.  Interesting that, in order to "protect the sanctity of marriage", supporters of Prop 8 have now destroyed numerous marriages.

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      • 4 votes
      #4.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:32 PM EST
      {"commentId":3907900,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I'd rather not get into *too* deep an ideological fight over Prop 8, but I will say that I think even with the defeat, an Obama administration is a net win for Gay and Lesbian couples, long term. 

      I think changing attitudes are coming, albeit slowly.

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      • 4 votes
      #4.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:38 PM EST
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      {"commentId":3907318,"authorDomain":"curvan77"}

      Go for the top of the mountain, you now have the best chance to reach it. Congratulations!!

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:24 PM EST
      {"commentId":3907872,"authorDomain":"kramer-mw"}

      As I watched McCain last night thats all I could think. If this McCain had run the outcome would have been different. He appeared to be the man I was impressed with 4 years ago.

      Alea iacta est, my support is for Obama.

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      • 9 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:37 PM EST
      {"commentId":3907995,"authorDomain":"TeaintheHarbor"}

      I voted for Obama, but it had nothing to do with his skin color. It had to do with the fact that I beleive him to be the most intellegent, competent candidate put forward by either party in decades, perhaps longer. I beleive in his vision of America, he see's what we could be, not what he can get away with, which I think was part of every decision Bush made.

      It is an odd reflection on where we really are as a Nation that in an election where the issues were of such enormous magnitude so many are focused on such trivial concerns.  

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      • 6 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":3915539,"authorDomain":"ronblack66"}

      Come on now.  Bill Clinton is extremely intelligent.  Praise for Obama is justified, but let's not put the cart before the horse.  Bill Clinton proved his intellectual abilities for 8 years while serving as POTUS.  Barack Obama may be just as intelligent, if not moreso, but all we have to judge him on at this point is speeches.

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      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM EST
      {"commentId":3923757,"authorDomain":"loosecannon"}

      Barack Obama may be just as intelligent, if not moreso, but all we have to judge him on at this point is speeches

      I think that we have more to go on than that. There's the people who have surrounded him. They would not have done that if he wasn't something special. The two endorsers I keep thinking about are Warren Buffett and Colin Powell.

      They would not just endorse someone, especially Powell crossing parties, for "speeches"

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      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:36 PM EST
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      {"commentId":3908871,"authorDomain":"curvan77"}

      Brian and Perry - thanks for your comments, both are thoughtful. I am under the impression according to the news that many thousand votes on prop 8 have not yet been counted and therefore the results are not official yet. In any case it is obvious to me that even if prop 8 is officially passed, at the end of the day, there is still hope for the future because at this point you can not ignore the beliefs of at least 48 percent of Califorinians that are in favour and that is significant. At 66 years of age I pray I will live long enough to see the legalization of gay marriage in the majority of the states. Gay marriage hurts no one, is a good thing for gay couples, gives us a feeling of belonging and as far a religous concerns go it is good to remember that ordinary men wrote the bible according to the times and times have changed.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:01 PM EST
      {"commentId":3910333,"authorDomain":"arad"}

      The puppies name?

      Karl Barx.

      INSTANT. WIN.

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      • 7 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:34 PM EST
      {"commentId":3911246,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

      I laughed when I read that. :) Definitely a win.

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      • 3 votes
      #9.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:55 PM EST
      {"commentId":3914260,"authorDomain":"arad"}

      I suppose they could make the joke even richer by getting a cat and naming him Chairman Meow.

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      • 10 votes
      #9.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:03 PM EST
      {"commentId":3917894,"authorDomain":"k-stanz"}

      Hilarious! LOL

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      • 2 votes
      #9.3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:25 PM EST
      {"commentId":3928346,"authorDomain":"Infohack"}

      Karl Barx

      Clever.

      I was leaning towards "Sarah", especially if they get the poodle that was the winner of the AKC poll.

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      • 1 vote
      #9.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:35 PM EST
      {"commentId":3932352,"authorDomain":"jck80"}

      Poodle?

      You mean pitbull.

      *chuckle*

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      • 1 vote
      #9.5 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:37 AM EST
      {"commentId":3984605,"authorDomain":"kalenajoy"}

      Arad:  lol!  very creative! 

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        #9.6 - Sat Nov 8, 2008 9:04 PM EST
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        {"commentId":3912036,"authorDomain":"baxter"}

        Nice post, Brian. I haven't been around lately--been very busy--and it's good to see you're still here, doing what you do so well.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:15 PM EST
        {"commentId":3919811,"authorDomain":"shore"}

        I don't want to demean or begrudge Obama's victory, it certainly promises to undo a multitude of sins going back all the way to 1960. But at his core, Obama is a centrist not unlike Clinton; there will be significant changes, but his first order of business is to get the country behind them.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:18 PM EST
        {"commentId":3921481,"authorDomain":"drscott2k8"}

        Getting the country behind him could be somewhat difficult.  I have seen several comments about this election being a landslide, the popular vote for Obama was only 52%.  That number is hardly a landslide and indicates a nation still extremely divided.

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        • 1 vote
        #11.1 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:19 PM EST
        {"commentId":3923039,"authorDomain":"shore"}

        I think that this is a good example as to why the Electoral College is such a wise institution. Throughout Appalachia and the Ozarks there were many districts in which Republicans gained ground: much of McCain's strength in his percentage of the popular vote is somewhat illusory. Outside of those regions, virtually every area of the nation voted more heavily for Democrats. That said, proving himself competent as a centrist will give him a lot of leeway moving forward.

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        • 1 vote
        #11.2 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:10 PM EST
        {"commentId":3926084,"authorDomain":"bfrdi"}
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        {"commentId":3928062,"authorDomain":"drscott2k8"}

        The Electoral College was conceived in a time of difficult transfer of communication.  In other words it was designed for the times that it was designed in.  The actual percentage of electorals, based on the POPULAR vote would have given Obama 300 electorals.  That is far from a clear mandate.

        As far as Obama being a centrist?  I think people need to study what centrist politics is.  Obama's does not even come close to that definition.

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        • 1 vote
        #11.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:22 PM EST
        {"commentId":3932276,"authorDomain":"ccackerman"}

        And what kind of mandate did W have based on the popular vote in 2000 and 2004? A negative mandate? He and his cohorts stated and acted like they had landslide mandates in each election when nothing could have been further from the truth. Now pundits dare to state that a result like this is somehow less than a clear affirmation from the public that we need a new direction.

        Take two more self delusion pills and call the shrink in the morning.

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        • 1 vote
        #11.5 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:19 AM EST
        {"commentId":3932366,"authorDomain":"drscott2k8"}

        Ork - you must be on the wrong thread.  I don't recall ever mentioning Bush in my posts.  Nor do I recall it being mentioned in the article.  Bush as well as his administration is done.  Get over it already.  America is heading into a new chapter and I sincerely hope it plays out better than 48% of the population thinks it's going to.

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          #11.6 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:41 AM EST
          {"commentId":3932379,"authorDomain":"jck80"}

          Actually he has 75 days more to create havoc...unfortunately.

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          • 1 vote
          #11.7 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:44 AM EST
          {"commentId":3932471,"authorDomain":"drscott2k8"}

          jck - You are very correct in your assessment.  One of which, thanks to the Patriot Act, Martial Law can now be imposed merely by Executive Order.  There are numerous other actions that can be imposed, via Executive Order, that would create great chaos.  That chaos would justification for martial law.

          He has been ostracisized by the Democrat Party, alienated from his own party, and politically isolated by other world leaders.  Question now is, will he run home with his tail between his legs like a whipped puppy, or will he react like a caged, cornered wild animal and strike out at anything he views as threatening?

          I really believe that he will allow his administration as graceful an exit as is possible at this point in time, but the above scenarios (as with your comment) are distinct possibilities.

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          • 1 vote
          #11.8 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 4:13 AM EST
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          {"commentId":3924064,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

          Thank you for the excellent article, Brian. Yesterday felt like a 60s Be-In come to fruition. Worldwide joy at America's escape from tyranny, again.

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            Reply#12 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:47 PM EST
            {"commentId":3927394,"authorDomain":"amymuniz417"}
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            {"commentId":3933183,"authorDomain":"zydor"}

            I sat up all night 8,000 miles away watching the election unfold.  When the declaration was announced at 4am GMT,  I cried.  I am 57  and over the years I have come to have a great affection for the US, its values and culture, mainly through connections during 25 years in the Army serving alongside US Forces.  In last 10 years I watched despairingly - at least as I saw it - the win,win,win culture driven by the power of the chequebook, destroy the Core Values of what the Founding Fathers laid down.  From where I sit, the US had lost its way, and the ordinary people were on the verge of permanently loosing the capacity to truely have a say in their future.

            The Election changed all that.  Obama is going to turn into the greatest President the US has had since Lincoln because he is a Leader. He has leadership qualities coming out of every part of his being.  He has that rare quality, the ability to motivate, inspire, provide a sense of purpose, clarity of vision, a focus on a common purpose, and above all an understanding that progress is made by promoting Core Values of decency and common goals and respect for others. Those values are seen as worthy of attaining by everyone, they are unifying ideals

            In that environment, people will come forward to serve the common good, will willingly give their all because its the right thing to do in the knowledge that they will be suitably rewarded, not just because someone sold them the mythical dream of "number 1".  Finally after a long walk in the Forrest people have rediscovered the Wood from the Trees.  That is so Huge, and puts the Country back on track.

            President Clinton summed it up during a stump session near the end of the election campaign when he said to the crowd:

            "Look, and he might not like this so close to election [pointing at Obama] because this is unbriefed and I have not cleared this with him. I have sat and watched him assess briefings and options, sat and watch him say 'Tell me what I need to do, dont tell me whats popular, tell me whats Right, and I'll sell it'.   Thats what we need from a Leader, thats Leadership, thats why you must vote for this guy"

            Obama has the perfect combination of Leadership, Vision, and sense of purpose thats needed to Lead the US back to what the Founding Fathers aspired to.

            I went to bed a very happy guy.

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            • 5 votes
            Reply#14 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 7:38 AM EST
            {"commentId":3939302,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

            There is hope that this is so. Now it will be up to the people to keep him from falling into the special interest traps that corporate america has built around Washington DC.

            There should be no doubt in his mind by now that corporate media needs a completely different direction.  This country came a hair from a perpetual national socialist agenda and could still go that way due to the media's dumbing down agenda.

            If large segments of this country could be convinced that Obama was actually a socialist (marxist) as a fear tactic, it demonstrates just how illiterate so much of the country is due to the mass media and its propaganda tactics.

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            • 2 votes
            #14.1 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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