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Dear Netflix: An Important Message from a Paying Customer

The email in question.

The swing in activity staring "12 hours ago" is concurrent with the announcement.

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On June 19, 2008, thousands of Netflix subscribers received the following notice via email:

We wanted to let you know we will be eliminating Profiles, the feature that allowed you to set up separate DVD Queues under one account, effective September 1, 2008.

Each additional Profile Queue will be unavailable after September 1, 2008. Before then, we recommend you consolidate any of your Profile Queues to your main account Queue or print them out.

While it may be disappointing to see Profiles go away, this change will help us continue to improve the Netflix website for all our customers.

In essence, the Profile feature allows a family with one account to operate multiple individual queues. So, for example, it's possible for me to set up a queue, while my wife operates an independent queue of her own. We currently pay for a plan which includes two rentals at a time, and the Profile system won't choose a movie off of my queue unless the returned movie came from my queue.

My wife and I also happen to have different taste in movies. Thus, the benefit of separated profiles lies in each of us getting movie recommendations based on our distinct interests. Unfortunately, once we merge our queues, Netflix is going to recommend that I give Bollywood a try and dear God I do not want to give Bollywood a try. We're also going to fight about who is dominating the queue, and which of us is getting more movies geared towards our particular interests.

There's also a practical matter: We rent a lot of Season DVDs of various TV shows that we'd like to catch up on, or which, for whatever reason, we didn't get around to watching while they were airing. Adding an entire season of any given program adds, on average, 5 or 6 DVDs to a queue. The benefit of Profiles is that one of us can add the series while the other will still get movies, thus balancing out our consumption. Merging our queues will mean manually staggering movies between series DVDs, so that we don't have a few weeks in a row of nothing but one TV program, over and over.

As usual, the internet has spoken out: Twitter posts about Netflix went up drastically, shortly after the email was sent out to customers. Twitscoop, a website which analyzes popular topics on twitter via a graph of activity surrounding a given keyword, provides a great visual representation of the popularity of this decision. (A screenshot has been provided. in the sidebar.)

Many of the initial reactions have been negative:

  • jmissig : I wonder if it's coincidence that I received my AppleTV the day Netflix announced the removal of Profiles.
  • billstreeter : I can't believe Netflix is canceling their profiles feature. Why are they going backwards?
  • jeremya : Netflix is eliminating their Profiles feature... I will either be downgrading or canceling my account.... http://tinyurl.com/53cell

And on and on.

Doing away with a popular feature is one thing, but claiming that the reason is because "the change will help us continue to improve the Netflix website for all of our Customers" is downright absurd.

How? What does my ability to utilize separate profiles -- a feature that is invisible to anyone who doesn't share my account -- have to do with any other Netflix subscriber? How will taking that feature away benefit others enough (or even at all) and thereby justify the annoyance of thousands of other customers?

It's possible that Netflix has some feature in mind to compensate for the loss of Profiles, but the wording of their email notification is baffling, at best. At worst, the suspicion is going to be that they're somehow losing money and are thus taking their ball and going home. They're going to lose a lot of customers over this, unless there's an immediate attempt at damage control.

The Apple TV is suddenly seeming like a compelling option, not as an addition to my Netflix subscription, but as a complete replacement. I'm intrigued by the HD downloads, even at the relatively low resolution that the HD content is served up at, and despite the current lack of content. In short: The potential is there.

If Apple would get on the ball, and allow me to pay a $15-$20 monthly subscription and queue up the movies I want to watch so that I can have two out at a time, and so that a new movie begins to download as soon as my window expires on a currently downloaded movie, I'd switch without hesitation. This system would even alleviate some of the concerns with download speeds, as you'd always have something downloading in the background, as you watch the content that has already been downloaded.

As it stands, Netflix' idiotic move may get a pass simply because Apple TV isn't quite where I want it to be yet, and Blockbuster Online isn't even an option, for me. Then again, it may not. Forcing me to manually merge our queues certainly isn't a good sign.

This article was cross-posted from my blog.

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{"commentId":2003551,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Can anyone think of a single *good* reason to make this change?

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Reply#1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
{"commentId":2005230,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Obviously Netflix has too many customers and wants to get rid of some.

I agree with you on the Apple TV front though. There's a price-point concern of course and a QOS issue for the family network but I agree, it really could be a viable alternative if Apple would wake up.

I've been debating starting up a Blockbuster account. Why is that not an option for you?

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#1.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":2005707,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Just a personal history of disagreeing with the brick and mortar blockbuster's the customer service and policies. I actually had blockbuster online before Netflix, and switched because they constantly were "long wait" on movies that shouldn't have been out of stock. I've heard that's not really an issue anymore, though.

Plus, they also don't offer a "Profiles" feature, thus switching wouldn't really gain me anything. I'm not looking for a step up, and not as interested in a step to the side.

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  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":2005795,"authorDomain":"kikaiju"}

Can anyone think of a single *good* reason to make this change?

Absolutely! By eliminating profiles, those profile users who REALLY want their own movies will be forced to get their own accounts, thus increasing Netflix user numbers and income.

I don't use profiles and had never actually heard of it. But then again I don't share my Netflix account with anyone.

But I am leaving Netflix anyway this month simply because my budget is tighter than I like it to be and things like Netflix, XM radio, and Audible.com subscriptions add up. So I'm going to swap Netflix for movies I can borrow from friends or from the public library, and replace XM and Audible with free downloaded content.

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#1.3 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
{"commentId":2005857,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Absolutely! By eliminating profiles, those profile users who REALLY want their own movies will be forced to get their own accounts, thus increasing Netflix user numbers and income.

Except, I suspect that most families who are upset will either 1) suck it up and deal with it (bad customer relations) or 2) just cancel.

I can't imagine many people saying: Well, they took away something that I really liked and which was free, so now I'll simply agree to pay them $10 (or so) more a month!

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#1.4 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007832,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

can't imagine many people saying:

Maybe not current customers, but new ones, who didn't know of the feature, will probably pay for the separate accounts.

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#1.5 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008901,"authorDomain":"bartning"}

Yeah, TJG, I've just switched to Netflix from Vongo, at least mostly. I share the accounts generally with my family, father right now, but we didn't know about Netflix's profile feature. I've also tried other pay-per-view online-movie services, e.g. Movielink and CinemaNow, and I don't like Movielink's customer service now that Blockbuster took over. Vongo's good (STARZ), but they said they'd call me to help with a technical problem on my desk top and never did.

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#1.6 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:36 AM EDT
{"commentId":2009814,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I'm disappointed because I'm a netflix user and generally like them but this to me seems almost as stupid a move as when they admitted that they were acting slower to return the movies of some of their more active users, putting a new spin on the meaning of "unlimited" movies.

Incidentally did you know Netflx has a special arrangement/deal with post offices which is how they are able to get their stuff sent and received so fast? I was always curious about that so I asked a few postal workers.

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#1.7 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":2010325,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

That's interesting, Scott. I had a month or two of it taking 2 or 3 days for discs to be shown as returned, and 2-3 days back, rather than the usual overnight for each.

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#1.8 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":2012165,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

They got called on it when some users compared usage and shipping dates and netflix admitted it.
I wrote a story about it in 2006

There have been rumors for some time that Netflix was engaging in an activity known as "throttling".

The company has now admitted, in court documents, that it indeed does this deceitful action.

Since Netflix gets a flat fee for unlimited DVD viewing, customers who quickly return their movie are making less money for Netflix than those who return them more slowly.

So Netflix has found a way to tweak that a bit.

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#1.9 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":2048583,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

Just a personal history of disagreeing with the brick and mortar blockbuster's the customer service and policies. I actually had blockbuster online before Netflix, and switched because they constantly were "long wait" on movies that shouldn't have been out of stock. I've heard that's not really an issue anymore, though.

I was one of the earliest Netflix adopters (even had my initial plan grandfathered in when they came up with new plans...I had 4 out at a time for a little less than what new customers were paying for 3...) I, too, have always hated the brick and mortar Blockbuster's customer service and policies.

But, when I got my Wii, I made the switch. It was painful, and I hated doing it, but the ability to get one free game rental per month was enough to entice me. And I actually like the ability to return my envelopes in-store and take home a new movie that night. I don't do it often, but there have been times when I don't want to wait for the next movie in my queue, or I really want a new release *now*, so I just bring in and envelope and trade it for a new release. Done and done.

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  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2003669,"authorDomain":"yasmin"}

I haven't used the profiles feature since my roommate moved out, but we loved it. It made it so much easier to handle my Netflix queue. She used to love watching Friends, and rather than having to wait for to get through the whole set, I just set up the profile. It was so easy.

I can believe that people are going to be upset.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":2003727,"authorDomain":"insist09"}
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{"commentId":2003823,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

My wife has not set her profile up, but she was planning to. It's never a good idea to remove popular features or functionality.
My fear with going the download route is, what happens if my service provider puts a cap on how much I can download, or charges a high premium for the ability to download more? Between PS3, XBox Live, Wiiware and ITunes not to mention regular internet usage, adding even 1 film a week to that could easily put you in a 20+ gigs a month category.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":2003827,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

I have Netflix, but I never set up different profiles. Whatever I pick is what we watch. However, I can see the importance of having that feature with families or, like you, couples with different tastes. I racking my brain trying to come up with a feature that would replace this one and make Netflix better.
On a different note, I e-mailed Netflix several weeks ago. They never responded to me, which is something I tend not to accept very well. Plus I can't tell you how many scratched movies I've gotten. Sure, they'll replace them, but I'm sitting here with no movie in the meantime. Sorry for the mini rant.
Maybe it's time to write an updated Apple TV article. (Hint, hint) I saw some several months ago, but haven't seen anything since. Is Apple TV worth it? Has it gotten better? I have basic cable ($56 a month!) and love the variety I get on Netflix.

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Reply#5 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":2003954,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Weird, I just got an Apple Hot News alert that contained this. Wow.

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#5.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008947,"authorDomain":"bartning"}

lauhal:

It's funny, but we got our first scratched DVD from Netflix, Syriana. I just ordered the replacement.

We tried the two-weeks-free program which ended June 7 I think, 3 DVDs at a time, but we're switching down to one at a time at the end of this billing cycle.

Their online slection's very extensive, but there are advantages and disadvantages compared to Vongo, for example. So far, we think services such as Vongo and Netflix are different, but Dad puts it that Netflix has more movies online, and he likes the quality of the DVDs, but you can transport Vongo movies for one, and they're large files, could be better quality than Netflix Instant Play, but I don't think so right now. We subscribed to Vongo for a year or two I think though.

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#5.2 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":2008966,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

I'll check it out. Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't have Boot Camp on my Mac at the moment, so I can't do the instant watch via Netflx.

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#5.3 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:54 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2003997,"authorDomain":"DigitalRob"}

Single good reason: Money.

Over on Digg, someone said they called the company about this, and the cube zombie told them that this issue only affected 2% of subscribers.

If the 2% number is true, this 2% is probably a group of heavy users (the ones who would take the time to set up different profiles), which because of rising postage might be costing the company money instead of making it money. Maybe the executives think it's worth angering 2%, even if those people are among the most loyal users, to simplify their service, release a couple of code monkeys working with profiles, and save some money in the long run.

This is just my guess.

Either way, I think this sucks. Like Brian, my family uses this feature extensively. However, an Apple TV will not meet our needs, and I swore a long time ago to never give another dime to Blockbuster when they sent my account to collections for a $5.00 late fee.

-Rob

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Reply#6 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":2004033,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

But, we get 2 movies at a time regardless of whether we have 2 profiles or one profile. If anything, we're going to send movies back FASTER, because we'll want to buzz through our queue for a variety of reasons, whereas before, if I'm not in the mood for a movie off my queue, I can let it sit for awhile.

Still, this is already a huge PR nightmare -- it's being reported everywhere, and the reaction is almost universally: "WTF?!"

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#6.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":2004138,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

That was my reaction. I don't understand why they did it. They've generally been pretty media savvy but this was an idiotic move.

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  • 7 votes
#6.2 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":2006604,"authorDomain":"DigitalRob"}

Brian,

I think Netflix's motivation for canceling Profiles is still a mystery; however, I would imagine that when the company looked at the subscribers who use the feature they considered that angering customers who weren't making them money not really a problem.

Also, unlike you, in my case movie turnover is likely to slow. I watch discs significantly faster than my wife, so if I forget to manage the queue, and we end up with one kid movie and two for my wife, the three discs will sit until either we watch the family movie or my wife watches one of hers, which could be a few weeks.

It would be nice if my wife and I could watch movies together, but our schedules just don't work this way, so if we get something we both want to see, I'll watch it and then it will sit until she gets a chance to watch it. So again, another movie sitting and waiting.

Because of the canceling of Profiles, Netflix is bound to make more money from my account eventually. (unless I cancel, which isn't likely to happen.)

-Rob

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#6.3 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":2006630,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I think Netflix's motivation for canceling Profiles is still a mystery; however, I would imagine that when the company looked at the subscribers who use the feature they considered that angering customers who weren't making them money not really a problem.

Yeah, it is a mystery, but I'm starting to suspect that they're planning to eventually relaunch a similar feature at a monthly charge.

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#6.4 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007845,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

Sending movies back faster is not what Netflix wants. We used to watch movies a lot faster than what we do now, and after a while it took much longer to receive them. For a while there, I thought my mail carrier was stealing them -- she wasnt; Netflix was throttling.

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#6.5 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008149,"authorDomain":"JudyO1106"}

ok I hate to do this because I worked for Netflix and I find it to be such a sweat shop operation but I do have to say, the day they get your DVD back another one goes out. They spend HOURS going through every DVD that comes in so the customers get their next movie the next day. They pride themselves with that.

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#6.6 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008728,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

Not always. Netflix throttling is pretty well established.

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#6.7 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":2008956,"authorDomain":"bartning"}

Brian:

I hope they keep it free rather than charge for it.

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#6.8 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:51 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2004196,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}

I was pretty confused as well, and for similar reasons to you. My wife has a queue full of TV series she never got a chance to watch, while my queue is full of movies that I'm curious about. Putting them together makes a lot more manual work for us to what was, I assume, an automated process that required little to no human intervention on the part of Netflix employees.

Does this mean the Friends feature is going away as well?

Anyway, maybe they have something else up their sleeve to replace the Profiles feature. I doubt it, since smart business would say you pad the bad news with the good, but here's hoping.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":2004799,"authorDomain":"redruby"}

I don't use profiles so I don't appreciate the problem. My complaint is that Netflix is expensive for old subscribers....$18/mo for three and poor choices for instant watch.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007860,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

Amen on the instant watch. Its great for popular TV shows, but not so much in the movie department.

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#8.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008959,"authorDomain":"bartning"}

Oh yeah, I forgot; they charge sales tax. Vongo doesn't.

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#8.2 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:52 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2005211,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

The solution, of course, is to become Baptist. That way you can assert your authority as the male of the household and over the Netflix queue; then this wouldn't be an issue. :-)

Re: AppleTV, I wish they would add rented television series to the offerings. Then I would buy it in a heartbeat.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007855,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

Would being Baptist keep my wife from queueing Alvin and the Chipmunks? (For the kids, she says.)

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#9.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008028,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

The ten commandments only say that kids have to honor their parents, nothing about it being a reciprocal thing.

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#9.2 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2005380,"authorDomain":"rosieboo"}
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{"commentId":2005589,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}

Doing away with a popular feature is one thing, but claiming that the reason is because "the change will help us continue to improve the Netflix website for all of our Customers" is downright absurd.

So true (above). I also find random rate increases followed by the same assurance regarding customer improvement.

I haven't signed up for Netflix or the Blockbuster service yet as I am seriously considering one of them. Thank you for this informative article.

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Reply#11 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":2006262,"authorDomain":"bobo2854"}

"the change will help us continue to improve the Netflix website for all of our Customers" is downright absurd. How?

New Coke was downright absurd but Coca Cola really thought it was a groundbreaking idea too as did Ford with the Edsel, as I am sure Netflix believes this change will improve Netflix. Would not be the first time a corporation made a big mistake and it wont be the last.
Only two things to do, Deal or cancel. Their bottom line might change their mind?

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Reply#12 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":2006532,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Well, here's a longer explanation from the Netflix blog, which is just as utterly idiotic:

As a Netflix product manager I'm tasked with the wonderful job of helping members find movies they'll love. But today my job is more challenging as we've decided to terminate the profiles feature on September 1. Please know that the motivation is solely driven by keeping our service as simple and as easy to use as possible. Too many members found the feature difficult to understand and cumbersome, having to consistently log in and out of the website.

Frankly, I have a feeling we're being lied to. I think they either feel that the are somehow 1) losing money or 2) actively not earning potential money, and are doing away with this feature only to introduce something new in a couple months -- for an extra $5 per month.

The idea that any company would do away with a popular feature simply because some people find it confusing is utterly absurd, when they could simply revise the feature, leaving the old one intact in the meantime.

The more I think about this, the more I want to switch over to an Apple TV.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#13 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":2006955,"authorDomain":"created"}

That really doesn't make sense. Yes, I have noticed that you have to sign back in when switching between queues, but it doesn't bother me. I get three movies at a time, one for me, one for my wife, and one for the kids. Now I'll have to be extra careful to keep my queue up to date and change it depending on when I send a particular movie back. My kids won't be happy if daddy gets 2 movies and they don't get any!

Argggh!! I switched from Dish Network to Netflix and have been happy (supplementing some TV via internet). Now I could possibly reconsider.

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  • 4 votes
#13.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007930,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

Having worked tech support I find the explanation plausible. The simple fact is the vast majority of people are clueless (at least where computers are concerned) and will get confused and frustrated over such things as keeping track of which profile they are on.

On the other hand, my impression was that the Netflix user base is at the more adept end of the curve. Of course that in and of itself might be what is at issue. As market penetration increases they are picking up less adept people who are reporting a poor experience because of it and are canceling. Not only is Netflix losing a customer but they are losing potential customers as they tell their friends and family about the poor experience they had with Netflix (there is a statistic out there that goes something like if you have a good experience you will tell 3 people but if you have a bad experience you'll tell 10). So, yeah if they noticed that this reason is a trend - I can see them pulling it. Granted not necessarily the best solution but possibly the most viable one at this time with their technology.

To my knowledge there is no reason to suspect Netflix of lying to its customers, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

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#13.2 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":2009942,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

To my knowledge there is no reason to suspect Netflix of lying to its customers, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

I dunno, the throttling issue was pretty bad, to me. And, the suspicion is simply based on feeling that this is such a bizarre thing to do -- to basically say to some of your customers: "Hey, we realize you like this feature, and that it's incredibly useful, but some of our customers don't like it, and it's kind of a hassle to support, so we're dumping it completely. Please bear the brunt of this issue by fixing your queue issues yourselves, and sorry for all the lost ratings data, but it's business..."

Ultimately, I think people are really mad because, really, they're being told that they don't matter.

And, then -- not offering any firm evidence of a replacement feature. I've read a lot of instances in which people CAME to Netflix, simply for the Profiles feature.

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#13.3 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
{"commentId":2015767,"authorDomain":"amazingsdj"}

Too many members found the feature difficult to understand and cumbersome

As a Netflix user, I find that quote a little irritating. It's like they are saying "many of our customers are not smart enough to handle the Profiles option, so we're going to dumb down the whole site on their behalf."

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#13.4 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":2017893,"authorDomain":"DigitalRob"}

so we're going to dumb down the whole site on their behalf."

This seems to be the action model for most of the country: media, education, shopping, the internet. We cater to the lowest common denominator. Sigh!

-Rob

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#13.5 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
{"commentId":2018489,"authorDomain":"amazingsdj"}

Sigh!

Ditto.

I'm the only person in my household, so I don't need the Profiles feature. I did look into it though, because when I sign up for something I want to make sure I'm getting the most for my money. For anyone computer/internet savvy enough to sign up for Netflix and figure out how to set up a queue, setting up a second queue shouldn't be a challenge.

I will probably be giving up my Netflix subscription soon anyway. For me, the appealing feature of Netflix is the movies on demand, but their selection is mediocre at best. You would think they would make the most popular movies available to watch instantly at home to reduce shipping costs. I would be willing to pay more per month for unlimited (or at least medium-to-high volume) access to movies on demand without the option of any mailed DVDs, as long as the selection included movies that were released on video relatively recently. They wouldn't have to spend a penny of postage on me and no profile would be necessary.

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#13.6 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2007357,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

Me and my folks had Netflix for a while--had to give it up because of some financial woes and we didn't really use the profile option (we have pretty different tastes, but we were willing to negotiate), but this does sound like a stupid move on their part.

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Reply#14 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":2007835,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

For all those considering AppleTV, I would suggest checking out Tivo which can do everything the AppleTV can do (with the help of some free software or their Tivo Desktop) plus be a DVR.

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Reply#15 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":2008013,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I probably will look into TIVO, as I've been interested in the Tivo HD anyway. Will give it a look.

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#15.1 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":2013851,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

TIVO is definitely looking like the clear winner, especially with the Amazon Unbox feature factored in. I like the Apple Ecosystem, but the Apple TV seems to be beaten pretty badly by the features of the HD Tivo, and the extra $12.95 a month for the service plan will be negated by 1) me ditching Netflix and 2) the price difference between renting cable cards ($4.95) and renting my current Cable Company DVR ($21.95). So, I may make a trip out to Nebraska Furniture Mart soon.

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#15.2 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":2015499,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

You will heart TIVO, Brian. I've had mine since they were released--make sure to get one with a dual tuner, you can record two stations at once, or record one and watch another live.

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#15.3 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":2016622,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

If you can afford it get the lifetime subscription for $399. It seems like a bit up front but at $12.95 a month but after 2.5 years it is saving you money. I have a machine that is over 5 years old and is only offline right now because I bought a Series 3 and haven't decided what do with the Series 2.

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#15.4 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":2017528,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Well, I wish I could, but I think with the $299 entry fee for the box, I'll probably have to stick with the $12.95 for now. I think I'm headed out to NFM today to pick one up (assuming they have them in stock) and then to my Cable Provider to pick up two cable cards and return my set top box.

The good news is that even if Unbox isn't as good as it sounds (I'm a bit annoyed by no widescreen and no HD, though I hear HD is on the way -- seriously though, no widescreen?) we're actually saving money by moving to a TIVO, on a monthly basis. At least once I pay off the HD TIVO. :) So, I'll probably keep Netflix for awhile, see how well I do with using Unbox and hope that, by September, they've removed the heads from their butts and provided a satisfactory (free) replacement for this great feature that they've taken away.

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#15.5 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2008112,"authorDomain":"JudyO1106"}

Netflix just came out with a box for your TV that will cost the customers $100.00 and they will be able to instantly rent DVD's that will be downloaded to the box. The article about that was on Slashdot a few months ago. You can still get your DVDs in the mail...for now.....that will probably become obsolete in the future.

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Reply#16 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
{"commentId":2012252,"authorDomain":"kidkilowatt"}

Well dang... I didn't even know about the ability to create multiple profiles for one account! Oh well.

I recently purchased the $100 box and LOVE LOVE LOVE it!! As others have pointed out, the collection of instant movies is pretty sparse now, but having Hitchcock classics, great documentaries such as King Corn and Jesus Camp, plus season 1 of This American Life waiting for instant view in the living room makes the $100 well worth it. I have the little box connected to my wireless network and the quality and response time are both great.

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#16.1 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2008229,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}

Incidentally, does anyone know if there's an automated way to consolidate profiles? I didn't see an option for it, but going through manually would be a gigantic pain...

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Reply#17 - Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":2009917,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

No, there's not. That's one of the big complaints that I'm seeing on various forums.

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#17.1 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2010898,"authorDomain":"chrishallpr"}

It's just about cost cutting. Maybe they received less interest in the Profile program so they are looking to drop it.

There isn't much competition in the marketplace anyway. When customers have fewer vendors to choose from, companies can dictate what services they will offer, and customers receive less service for their patronage.

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Reply#18 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
{"commentId":2013631,"authorDomain":"mmitchell71"}

So instead of having two $4.99 accounts rather than one $13.99 account you are going to waste time to write this? Or even better yet, try to work this out with your wife like an adult?????

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    Reply#19 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2013691,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

    Prime example of why I don't come to NV that often anymore. Once we got bought by MSNBC, getting smarter here got replaced by "get flamed here, by people with nonsensical numbers in their names".

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    #19.1 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2013823,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    Yeah, it's pretty annoying. Still, he's no one, probably never will amount to anything here, and one stupid comment is acceptable out of the 40 or so I've gotten which have been generally informative and useful.

    It is ironic that he mentions "being an adult" as part of his childish comment, though.

    For those who might want to actually learn something, his suggestion might work for some people, especially new customers, and is best for two people:

    For $4.99 a month, you can get 1 at a time but only 2 per month.

    So, for $10 a month, you could have two accounts, get 4 per month with 2 out at a time.

    That doesn't work if you currently watch more than 4 movies in a month (we do) and it still means that (if you are an existing member) all of your ratings on the second Profile (and recommendations) go bye bye.

    For $8.99 a month, you can get 1 at a time as many times as you can in a month.

    So, for $18 a month, you can get 2 at a time, as many times as you can in a month.

    That's more than I currently pay for two "Profiles" and would (once again) result in losing the ratings and recommendations from our second Profile.

    Information found here.

    Mark's plan falls apart COMPLETELY if you have more than two people wanting to have queues in a single household. Setting up multiple accounts for three people quickly proves to be expensive, and not at all comparable to the current Profile system.

    Mark, if you're going to comment here, you're going to lay off the insults. You get to do one or the other. Consider that a polite warning.

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    #19.2 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2014113,"authorDomain":"mmitchell71"}

    Now that I have looked, you are COMPLETELY right.

    My biggest problem with netflix is that they have a sloppy Blue-Ray selection. I was able, or rather had to watch The Jane Austin Book Club in high def, but not Beowulf or Series that were filmed in High Def. Now if they want to charge more for Blue-Ray account holders I am going to blockbuster.

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    #19.3 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2014333,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    Now that I have looked, you are COMPLETELY right.

    Thanks for taking the time to graciously admit that. :) Due to your polite response, I'm willing to concede that you're likely to be a good addition to the Newsvine community, and will take back the admonitions found in the first paragraph of my response to your first comment.

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    #19.4 - Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2017195,"authorDomain":"tcareywood"}

    Who Cares!!

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      Reply#20 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2055041,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Well, I'd say it's a safe bet to say that you don't care. And, to think, your two word comment didn't even spill over to a second line, which would have provided me with an easy way to read your snark between said lines, instead forcing me to rely on your utter transparency as a oh-so-insightful presence on this forum. Thanks for making it so easy on me by being you.

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        #20.1 - Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2017319,"authorDomain":"Ancient2day"}

        And to think I had even considered joining their service. Thanks for the insight.

        I wish you the best, though I fear it will have results much like other means-to-an-end do.

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        Reply#21 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2054723,"authorDomain":"aquariumaquarium"}

        I think the problem to focus on more is that they don't offer online movie watching for Mac users and neglect to tell you this until AFTER you pay the subscription fee. Maybe this was my negligence but since they can detect your OS they should really tell you beforehand!

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        Reply#22 - Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2088834,"authorDomain":"tigerblade"}

        It appears this decision has been un-decided. I just got an e-mail from Netflix:

        We Are Keeping Netflix Profiles

        You spoke, and we listened. We are keeping Profiles. Thank you for all the calls and emails telling us how important Profiles are.

        We are sorry for any inconvenience we may have caused. We hope the next time you hear from us we will delight, and not disappoint, you.

        -Your friends at Netflix

        So that's nice. Better than a company making a decision that its users are clearly against, deciding "screw them" and going with it. Bravo Netflix, bravo.

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        Reply#23 - Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2089453,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        Yeah, I was just going to come and update and you beat me to it. Certainly, a great decision, on their part.

        I'll add a formal update later.

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        #23.1 - Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2089481,"authorDomain":"brashmonkey"}

        Apparently the 2% of the user base that wants profiles (me included) really wants profiles. Link to Netflix blog announcing reversed decision.

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        #23.2 - Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2091037,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        I think the real issue is that 2% of the user base when you're competing as hard as you can against digital downloads and BlockBuster Online suddenly seems more important than that same 2% when you're doing just fine and dandy without a care in the world.

        :)

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        #23.3 - Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2091040,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

        Totally awesome. After reading this article, I was disappointed to learn that I was losing a feature that a.) I didn't use currently and b.) could really use it. Now that it is back or not leaving -- Profiles, here I come!

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          #23.4 - Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2096969,"authorDomain":"amazingsdj"}

          I wonder how many customers they lost before reinstating the profiles feature?

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            #23.5 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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