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Roger Ebert: National Treasure: Book of Secrets

Seeded on Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:25 AM EST
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Yes, I know, all of this is beside the point. The person who attends "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" expecting logic and plausibility is on a fool's mission. This is a Mouth Agape Movie, during which your mouth hangs open in astonishment at one preposterous event after another. This movie's plot doesn't play tennis without a net, but also without a ball and a racket. It spins in its own blowback. And, no, I don't know what that means, but this is the kind of movie that makes you think of writing it.

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Brian Ford

Normally, I wouldn't seed a review of (what sounds to be) a mediocre movie.

I just found the line "It spins in its own blowback..." and the followup quip to be really funny.

Even if Ebert doesn't have his voice, his wit is firmly in place.

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:27 AM EST
Jason Coleman

I'm so glad that he continues to write. The man is sharp and the kind of celebrity I'd actually like to meet.

As for the film, my wife loved the first one so I know I'll be seeing this one. At least with the little one now, we see everything via Netflix: giving me both some time and the ability to get up off the couch…

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:30 AM EST
JBBois

Jason,
If you're ever in the area, Ebert comes to Boulder every year in March/April to do a week-long, scene-by-scene breakdown of a movie. Over the past few years, I've seen him talk about Fight Club, Mulholland Drive and Chinatown. What an experience.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:28 PM EST
Mary-217728

I didn't think this was possible, but I actually think he's getting better. His review of "The Mist" had me laughing out loud. I'm convinced that sometimes his reviews are better than the movies they review, and that a thumbs-down review from Ebert can make me appreciate a bad movie by the way he celebrates its badness.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:47 PM EST
Smiling Jack

Awhile ago, I remember Sean Penn being quoted saying something really nasty about Nicholas Cage. Something to the effect that he was a great actor who didn't feel like acting anymore and he was throwing away his talent on crap.

It was very pompous, and very much like Penn to say something like that. But after watching what Cage has been doing lately, I kind of agree. He's a good actor, I don't understand what he's doing. He's made a lot of movies, he can't be hurting for cash.

Sooner or later you'd think he'd want a decent script, there have to be one or two out there.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:08 PM EST
Nick Ford

I'm convinced that he truly is not a good actor.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:33 PM EST
Jimster

Rent Birdie

    #1.6 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:58 AM EST
    Reply
    Evan Mix

    When I first saw the preview for National Treasure, I laughed out loud at the premise.

    When I first saw the preview for this one, I just hung my head.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:36 AM EST
    douglasq

    C'mon! What's not to like? They are like The Da Vinci Code without all those annoying French accents.

    Of course, The Da Vinci Code was like Foucault's Pendulum without any real intelligence required.

    • 5 votes
    #2.1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:36 AM EST
    TopJedi

    spin or blowback I'm more than willing to suspend reality for a few dollars and some movie entertainment that seems a lot longer in coming this year.

    Thanks for the seed Brian.

      #2.2 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:15 PM EST
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      jmack02

      You all know that the first one was just as preposterous? And yet, it was incredibly entertaining and fun to watch. I don't know what I get tired of more: Critics in general or critics who attempt to apply logic and cohesion to what are obviously outrageous action films. Die Hard series anyone? Yeah, because precisely timing a jump from the wing of a spinning F-22 is realistic. Armageddon? Critics hated it, but it was one of the biggest movies of 1998 (and secretly one of my favorite movies). If you're the kind of person that expects logic in everything you do or see, then don't watch action movies, you'll just be disappointed, and you will have completely failed to grasp the point of an action movie: fun and entertainment. They are not the Dead Poets Society. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that enjoy being able to suspend their disbelief for 2 hours and just allow themselves to enjoy the absurdity.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:26 AM EST
      douglasq

      They are not the Dead Poets Society.

      To be honest, I found the stunts and special effects in Dead Poets Society to be pretty unbelievable, too.

      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:35 AM EST
      Jason Coleman

      jmack02: This is not lost on Ebert. From his review of "Live Free or Die Hard:"

      It's been said by our friends, and by our foes: Movies plus cars equals America. Well, car stunts plus a star like Bruce Willis equals a good action movie. A scene like the one in "Live Free or Die Hard" lets crazy-gifted stunt drivers bend the laws of physics, geometry and adrenaline to create a moviegoer's contact high. And since it seems to be achieved with a minimum of computer legerdemain and a maximum of ingenious skill, the scene triggers the satisfyingly old-fashioned vibe audiences used to get from action-movie entertainment they believed people had risked their lives to provide.

      …

      In the middle of a summer season already exhausted with sequels depending too much on visual effects, here's a throwback to remind you what American movies can do best. Enough of the ghost pirates and silver surfers! Up with cool stunts and car crashes! Real action films may be the wave of the past but, as this one splendidly shows, they'll live free before they die hard.

      There's nothing wrong good 'ole plain fun explosions, car chases, and guns-a-blazin' action movies. They're pure entertainment. Of course, having a bit of a plotline doesn't hurt even action films. I think that a certain amount of suspension of logic and physics is assumed going into any action film. However, it seems the "National Treasure" series pushes this just a bit too far.

      • 1 vote
      #3.2 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:03 AM EST
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      Gwenny

      The main reason I don't watch action films anymore is that the characters and situations have become more comic book

      Absolutely nothing wrong with comic books, dude.

        #3.4 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:11 PM EST
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        EPH289

        Sometimes, we just want to be entertained.

        Perhaps the most entertainment will come from listening to those who think they find truth in it, ala The DaVinci Code

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:08 PM EST
        Arlo Goodbody

        True that EPH. I enjoy a dumb movie from time to time.

        This one has 'hungover Sunday, On-Demand' written all over it...

          #4.1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:31 PM EST
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          drydiggins

          I was in my twenties at the time, but when Gary Franklin of KNXT-TV called 'Blue Thunder' "techno-trash", I knew I would have to go see it.

            Reply#5 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:44 PM EST
            Jimster

            The Franklin Scale of 1 to 10. Tenbeingbest ! LOL memories!

              #5.1 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:02 AM EST
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              JoulesBeef

              i have found that my enjoyment of movies has little to do with what professional critic say.
              rotten tomaotes provides more incite IMO and even then in the right location and mind set i have found great entertainment in some real stinkers.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:08 PM EST
              Brian Ford

              Isn't RT just a collection of professional critical reviews?

              • 2 votes
              #6.1 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:18 PM EST
              Jason Coleman

              Yeah, I thought RT was just a critic aggregator site (like Metacritic, which I prefer because it has different types of media). What's a bit funny is that as of typing this, Roger Ebert is the "Spotlight" section on RT's site. I suggest everyone read that interview. The guy is great.

              • 1 vote
              #6.2 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:02 PM EST
              JoulesBeef

              i wasnt clear and was just making the point even stinkers can be fun.. but on RT, they have "user" ratings as well.. I find the "user" ratings to be more helpful..
              many sites do this liek gamespot.. i find the "user" ratings there to be more accurate of what i can expect to experience.
              I ignore the professional reviews, agrigated or not.

                #6.3 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:28 PM EST
                gecko85

                There are no "user" reviews on RT. All reviewers are accredited, although they do separate out the "cream of the crop" into a sub-set of the rankings for each movie. (Cream of the crop being the mainstream reviewers: Ebert, NY Times, etc.)

                From the RT website:

                Please note the following STRICT criteria before requesting to be added to the Tomatometer:

                * Rotten Tomatoes is only accepting accredited film critics as part of our Tomatometer. As a consequence, you must have one of the following:
                o Active membership in one of the following film critics societies/associations (membership will be verified with the respective organizations):
                + Boston Society of Film Critics
                + Broadcast Film Critics Association
                + Chicago Film Critics Association
                + Cinemarati: Membership in organization, NOT in the Roundtable
                + Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association
                + Film Critics Circle of Australia
                + Florida Film Critics Circle
                + Kansas City Film Critics Society
                + Las Vegas Film Critics Society
                + London Film Critics Circle
                + Los Angeles Film Critics Association
                + National Society of Film Critics
                + New York Film Critics Circle
                + New York Film Critics Online
                + Online Film Critics Society
                + Phoenix Film Critics Society
                + San Diego Film Critics Society
                + Santa Fe Film Critics Circle
                + San Francisco Film Critics Circle
                + Southeastern Film Critics Association
                + Toronto Film Critics Association
                + Vancouver Film Critics Circle
                + Washington D.C. Area Film Critics Association
                o AND/OR current employment as a film critic (i.e. NOT freelance or a staff reporter) by an accredited print publication (newspaper, magazine, etc...) from US, Canada, UK, or Australia with a minimum of fifty published film reviews from the respective publication. Employment must be verified as described further below.
                * Film reviews to be included on Rotten Tomatoes must be 300 words or longer.
                * At least fifty film reviews should be available online and published by accredited publication/source (i.e., the page is served as part of the publication's web site) and MUST include your byline. If your reviews are NOT available online (i.e., TV and radio critics), you must be able to provide the full text of your reviews to Rotten Tomatoes via the Article Submission Tool, thereby allowing Rotten Tomatoes users to access your reviews on our site.
                * Finally, you must use our web-based Article Submission Tool to add, rate, and 'quote' your film reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.

                Woohoo! I'm eligible. What's next?

                If you are eligible to be an Approved Tomatometer Critic, please register with Rotten Tomatoes first and have an activated registration. Registration is free and can be completed by clicking here. Please do not apply to be part of the Tomatometer until your registration has been completed!

                Next, for critics who are not a part of a film critics society, you will need to furnish proof of employment by having your publication's editor fax verification of your employment on company letterhead to (510) 595-2946 (please provide a cover page marked "c/o Critics Submission"). You may use the standard verification text provided below:

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                I verify that [film critic's name] is currently employed as a film critic at [publication name] and that at least fifty film reviews have been published by our source from this film critic.

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                Include a copy of the editor's business card marked with the editor's official job title
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                I like the aggregated reviews on RT, and how they determine if each review was "fresh" or "rotten". The Tomatometer is simply the percentage of "fresh" reviews out of the total number of reviews. It's usually a pretty good gauge. For example, a movie with 10% or less fresh reviews is almost always guaranteed to be a stinker. Likewise, 90% and above there's a very good chance it'll be worth watching. I find anything in the 30-70% range is where I have to read several reviews to get a truer feel for why certain critics liked or disliked a movie. These are usually the movies that either you're interested in them or no, and that should be your motivation for seeing/not seeing the movie.

                • 2 votes
                #6.4 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:50 PM EST
                Jason Coleman

                Metacritic, however, does have user ratings.

                  #6.5 - Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:32 AM EST
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                  RebelGirl

                  My son loved the first installment and we actually bought the book before everyone could see the second installment, its fiction and it gets kids interested in history. I think anything that provides reading and a desire to learn is a great book...

                  Mel

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#7 - Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:19 PM EST
                  RebelGirl

                  The movie was good, it was not as great as the first movie. There were few too many clues and portions were less plausable. My 13 year old liked it and I am glad that I saw it on the big screen...

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.1 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:01 PM EST
                  Reply
                  Joshua Deacon

                  The sheer idolatry of the previews is just sickening.

                  I don't see how people can doubt that we have a national religion when we have a freaking statue of Father Abraham in national capital that would make King Nebuchadnezzar proud.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#8 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:31 AM EST
                  DamianKD

                  Idolatry is the religious worship of idols, or excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

                  How does a statue of Abraham Lincoln equal idolatry? Do folks worship it? Should we not have statues commemorating anyone at all?

                  Has the whole world gone mad?

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.1 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:35 AM EST
                  TopJedi

                  How does a statue of Abraham Lincoln equal idolatry?

                  Obviously you have not yet sacrificed a donkey or an elephant on the steps of the memorial and spent cold nights scantily clad on the mall twisting and swaying to banjo music while the spire of the Washington monument aligned with the north star.

                  How did you get your citizenship?

                    #8.2 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:33 PM EST
                    DamianKD

                    How did you get your citizenship?

                    :) I was born here. Guess I missed the sacrifice and dead president worship. Will someone remind me the next time it happens? I want to make sure I ask off work the next day -- gonna be a big night. :)

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.3 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:44 PM EST
                    Reply
                    DamianKD

                    You could start with a cast like that and make one of the greatest movies of all time, which is not what happened here.

                    The last line had me laughing out loud.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#9 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:33 AM EST
                    Andimia

                    Wait... I still don't understand how there's a second one. They found the frackin national treasure! I'm still going to see the second one tonight with my boyfriend because I'd rather experience it for myself then take somebody else's word on it.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#10 - Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:17 PM EST
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