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When bloggers aren't journalists: off-the-record

Seeded on Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
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Anyone talking to media knows that telling a journalist something "off the record" means you're telling them so they know it. It's not going to stay secret. But it also clearly means that the comments aren't to be used a primary source. The point of "off the record" is to steer a journalist the right way so they can dig in deeper and get the real story from a real source, on the record. TechCrunch, though, just reports stuff "off the record" directly. Remember that next time you're being chummy at a party with Arrington.

Some great points made here -- but I do think the idea that "bloggers = journalists" is primarily pushed by people who want to point out that bloggers are not journalists.

I recall that a few of the rumor sites wanted to qualify as journalists, mostly for shield law protection, but I believe that was in an effort to continue being bad journalists, usually as a result of using off-the-record sources.

I don't think most bloggers (or even most citizen journalists) would consider themselves to be journalists -- nor do I think most would want to fit into that category.

In other words, the whole "bloggers are not journalists" debate tends to be fought on one side (journalists), and ignored on the other (bloggers).

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Brian Ford

My own view is that blogging and citizen journalism offers too many plusses to ever want to be recognized as "journalism" proper.

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Reply#1 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:22 PM EDT
Steve Watts

I think it depends on what kind of outlet you're talking about. In the political or social spheres, yeah, bloggers probably don't really care about being "journalists." In the gaming world, on the other hand, there's a fairly big debate going.

When Kotaku (a game blog) broke the story of Sony's "HOME" unveiling, Sony reacted by sending a stern letter and telling them they'd no longer be invited to press conferences -- keep in mind, here, that the reporter had dug up the story on his own from various bits of information put together to form a conclusion, not just by taking off-record word from Sony and reporting it. There was a backlash from the internet based on the idea that Kotaku was doing their jobs as journalists, so Sony's reaction was too harsh. (In the end, the two kissed and made up).

On the other hand, blogs in the game sphere are more free to report on rumors without fear of damaging credibility. If they get one wrong, no big deal, they were just reporting on a rumor. At 1UP, we report rumors but try to be careful with which ones pass muster. Just yesterday my editor had to post a retraction to a rumor story I wrote, and he commented that he never should have let it through. (Not by fault of me, he says, so whew). Game blogs which had similarly reported the story just updated again later with a "never mind" and an explanation. They didn't think they never should have reported it to begin with.

So I don't buy the "bloggers aren't journalists" argument, but I do think there are different levels and varieties of journalism, and they fulfill a specific niche. We need that niche, so I've got nothing against it.

Another similar issue to "off-the-record" statements is embargoed information. That's something else we deal with in games journalism quite a bit. Companies will let us know bits of announcements so we have fair warning and maybe get a chance to start writing up an article, but we know that it can't go live until after such-and-such date and time. With blogs being so pervasive, though, that raises the question of whether they let them in on those bits of information. On one hand, blogs are a great tool and reach plenty of people. On the other hand, there's tons of them, so leaks are hard to track.

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Reply#2 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:46 PM EDT
Brian Ford

I guess I just see that as journalists fighting to be recognized as journalists.

I guess my thought is that if there's no distinction -- why bother with the naming distinction?

It feels a bit like an anarchists wanting some of the benefits of an established government. I think there just becomes a point where you cease to be a blogger -- and you move on to the role of journalist.

Some of these "gaming blogs" don't feel any different than mainstream outlets (albeit in a niche) and I think that once you're going out on assignment and writing on a deadline -- why fight for the title of blogger?

I guess I'm surprised to find out that there is a desire to have shades of grey. I feel like I either want freedom to write as a blogger, or I can trade that in for more access and less wiggle room.

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#2.1 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:58 PM EDT
Steve Watts

Well, I can't speak for the whole of the journalistic spectrum, but "bloggers" versus "journalists" in the game world still tends to go back to what started blogs in the first place. Blogs are, by design, more of a casual convention. Kotaku nabbed that HOME story, but also on any given day will publish dozens of links based on being funny, weird, etc. You wouldn't find a Mario cake or David Jaffe's anti-Halo rant on 1UP. It's not that it's "below" us, just that we don't aim to be that record of all random internet happenings. At the same time, my editor encourages us to let some of our humor through in our stories, so he wants us to be casual in our writing, just not in our approach.

In other words, blogs can be journalists, but I think they enjoy the freedom to post about the zany crap that regular news outlets wouldn't touch. At the same time, journalistic outlets like 1UP can borrow a page from the Blog Handbook and be a little more laid-back from time to time for the benefit of the reader. The lines blur a bit, but they're still pretty distinct due to that.

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#2.2 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
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Jeff Croft

This is only tangentially related, but...

One thing I never understood when i worked for a newspaper company was the blog on a newspaper site. There is this push from newspapers to get their columnists to "blog." Look at any major newspaper site right now, and you'll find "blogs" -- written by professional journalists. I don't quite get this. Structurally, how is a "blog" different from a "column?" (especially when the newspaper in question allows comments on their columns). I'd say it's not. What makes a blog unique, to me, is the amateur nature of it.

Clearly, the only reason newspapers have their columnists "blogging" is to look hip and "with it." Lame.

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Reply#3 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:44 PM EDT
Aine MacDermot

For me, I'm not having the blogger v. journalist debate, I think it's divisive and unhelpful. Journalists sometimes blog and bloggers sometimes commit acts of journalism. It's not a matter of who's getting paid or even who's doing the paying, since that line was blurred in the last five years. It's not a matter of what tools are being used, since there's a lot of crossover in software and methods. It's not a matter of credibility, since no one should be considered credible unless they've earned that credibility by what they do. In other words, just because you work for, say, ZDNet or CNET doesn't automatically confer credibility on you. It may have been a tradition in mainstream journalism to claim that, but that doesn't mean it's true. It's not a matter of holding a university degree in Journalism either.

"When I got into the news biz, I was a devout believer in what New York University professor and media critic Jay Rosen calls the "high church of journalism," the tenets of which, since I never went to J-school, I absorbed by a kind of osmosis. To me, the journalist was a kind of citizen representative who asked the questions any resident of a democracy would ask if he or she were watching the inner machinations of government. There was a time when the public shared this view. From the 1940s to the 1970s, as Russell Baker notes in the Aug. 16 issue of the New York Review of Books, the image of reporters in the movies remained pretty much the same: "salt-of-the-earth, wise-cracking, sassy, but high-principled types" who stood up for the little guy." -- Tracy Thompson, former Washington Post and Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter and the author of two books. She blogs regularly here.

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Reply#4 - Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:00 PM EDT
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