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Review: Virb* -- Myspace Killer?

Myspace

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Social networking: Chances are, you're participating in one form or another. Over the course of the past several years, we've been bombarded with a handful of prospective communities: Myspace, Friendster and Facebook being a few of the more prominent examples. With that said, it's undeniable that Myspace is the current reigning champion when it comes to mind-share and name-recognition. (Ask your mom if she's heard of Facebook -- then ask her about Myspace.) On the flip side of the coin -- Myspace may be one of the most reviled "most-used" websites to ever gain this level of prominence: Even the most ardent of defender would have a hard time keeping a straight face while denying the serious glitches that often accompany the viewing of member profiles.

Technically Speaking...

I'm no coder -- but it seems clear that the problems associated with Myspace are rooted in a poorly-built back end coupled with members' unchecked abilities to post audio recordings, videos and any number of animated images to their home page. Not since the early days of the "World Wide Web" has web real-estate been so -- abused. Myspace seems intent upon recalling the days of dancing cats and animated "under construction" signs: A simpler, uglier time when anyone could learn the basics of HTML and create a website -- and a time when just about everyone did.

Those days are not gone -- but "web-design" is no longer a weekend hobby, either: XHTML, Javascript, CSS, web-standards, sIFR -- chances are you're either "into" designing advanced web pages -- or you're still creating pages with frames and/or WYSIWYG page-editors. Web design has come into its own and a quick trip through the CSS Zen Garden is enough to make any aspiring designer buckle at the knees. As the medium matured, it seemed that blogs (of any worth) became a domain for the elite few: Those with the time, skill and patience to learn a difficult trade.

Blogging (and Friend Collecting) for Dummies.

Cut to 2003: Myspace enters the scene and provides free access (with advertisements) to a pre-made blog -- and easy access to every other member on the system. Users could suddenly say and post whatever they wanted (whether it be text, video, photos or audio) without the hassle of learning the down-and-dirty of how to do so. Further, they could choose from any number of awful template-based layouts (provided by 3rd party vendors) in an effort to express their "design" sense and personality.

This "open" policy has its share of critics:

Furthermore, MySpace is set up so that anyone can customise the layout and colors of their profile page with virtually no restrictions, provided that the advertisements aren't covered up by CSS or using other means. As MySpace users are usually not skilled web developers, this can cause further problems. Poorly constructed MySpace profiles could potentially freeze up web browsers due to malformed CSS coding, or as a result of users placing many high bandwidth objects such as videos, graphics, and Flash in their profiles (sometimes multiple videos and soundfiles are automatically played at the same time when a profile loads). PC World magazine cited this as its main reason for naming MySpace as #1 in its list of twenty-five worst web sites ever. Source.

If sites like Newsvine and Flickr can be referred to as Web 2.0 -- Myspace never made it out of Web Beta.

Still, it's virtually impossible to ignore the numbers:

According to Alexa Internet, it is currently the world's sixth most popular English-language website, the sixth most popular website in any language, and the third most popular website in the United States, though it has topped the chart on various weeks (it is possible that other websites have a greater number of unique visitors). The service has gradually gained more popularity than similar websites to achieve nearly 80% of visits to online social networking websites. It has become an increasingly influential part of contemporary popular culture, especially in English speaking countries. Source.

(As always, Alexa figures provided alongside a few million grains of salt.)

Web Two Point Oh-So-Pretty

(Set aside your hatred for the phrase Web 2.0, please.) Visually speaking, the web has passed into a new generation and "style" is the word. Sites like Flickr, Newsvine and Digg bring functionality and form (beauty and brains) to the realm of social networking. Technologies now allow web developers to create aesthetically pleasing templates and layouts which allow users to customize their space in a fairly non-destructive manner -- and sharing between other popular sites is becoming more and more common, which means efforts don't have to be abandoned or duplicated.

Enter Virb* -- a direct competitor to the pure "social-networking" sites -- Myspace and Facebook.

Musical, photographical, videoical, everythingical.

You like stuff. Virb likes stuff. Use it to keep all your stuff in one place and you'll be surprised at how many other people like stuff, too.

First time visitors are greeted with a site of minimalistic beauty -- obviously pared down for simplicity. (The best way to describe the layout: Imagine an Apple Retail Store -- now render that visual into a web page.) Large, colorful graphics and strong lines are used to catch the eye, while a copious amount of white-space provides balance and welcome breathing room.

Upon signing up (an easy process more information added below) the default layout for user columns is borderline dull -- but the aim may have been for inoffensive. This initial layout can (fortunately) be customized in one of two ways: Via a set of basic tabs (colors, fonts, etc.) or via an advanced tab (break out your design books -- full CSS and XHTML/HTML accepted here).

The difference, visually:

  1. My page, customized via the basic tabs.
  2. These pages, customized via the advanced tab.

Unfortunately, this sets up a bit of a "lower class/upper class" dichotomy, and my lowly color changes didn't seem very impressive once I began to peruse some of the more talented members' offerings. Design envy set in almost instantly and while I hope to learn enough to close the gap -- this won't be an option for most members.

This problem could be solved fairly easily by hiring some top designers to create a set of templates (a la Blogger) that users could then utilize -- if the default layout underwhelms.

Still, this much is obvious without ever leaving the front page: Virb* aims to attack Myspace on its weakest fronts -- visual design and elegance.

Myspace users don't give a damn about visual design and elegance.

Designers and aficionados can rave about Virb's pretty facade until their throats go raw: Myspace is ugly because most users don't really care enough to do anything about it. Simply besting Myspace on visual design and ease of use isn't going to induce a massive migration of users. (Though, it might persuade users to stick around once they arrive.)

The only current appeal of Myspace is the guarantee that you'll know someone if you sign up for an account: People tend to sign up for Myspace whether they plan to use it or not -- just because it's there and everyone else seems to have an account.

This is important: Noting this large grouping of impressionable consumers, record labels have set up faux "band blogs" in an effort to gain a modicum of tech cred. It's a phony marketing ploy of the highest order, and Virb* needs to emulate the tactic.

Perusing Virb* Music -- it appears they've embraced the idea and added a few interesting updates: The "band blogs" are fairly limited (Virb* being just out of beta) but early featured artists such as Modest Mouse suggest big plans for the (near?) future. (It's interesting to note that even on Virb* -- users appear to believe that the band members are going to read their comments.)

Artist pages include sample tracks which can be streamed on-site or added to a personal playlist, which is then made available on member homepages. (Of note: Said jukebox is "off" by default.) An iTunes plugin (virbtunes) can be downloaded and automatically creates a list of recently-listened-to songs. The plugin was easy to install but I was disappointed to find that links to the iTunes store are not created when building the list, though this seems like an easy feature to implement in the future.

It doesn't appear possible to upload music to Virb* and aspiring bands may need to contact the site administrators to inquire about the possibility, or to find out if it exists in some hidden capacity. (Myspace is often touted as a way for local musicians to get word out about their music -- time will tell if Virb* manages to compete on this front.)

Update: As has been pointed out in the comment thread, it is possible to upload music. When signing up for an account, users are presented with four options:

  • PERSONAL

    Standard account type. (i.e. People, Bloggers, Photographers, Individual Filmmakers, etc.)

  • MUSIC

    Account type for anyone uploading original audio content. (i.e. Musicians, Bands, Singer-songwriters, etc.)

  • MUSIC ORG

    Account type for music organizations (i.e. Record Labels, Management Companies, Booking Agencies, Publishing Companies, Performing Rights Organizations, etc.)

  • ORG

    Account type for organizations (i.e. Charities, Businesses, Non-profit Organizations, etc.)

"Personal" account holders can't upload audio content but the option to create a "Music" account in order to do so seems to alleviate one of my initial concerns.

Other areas that will play a vital role in bringing in members:

  • Fasion
  • Design
  • Comedy
  • Art
  • Sports
  • Writing
  • Groups

Many of these sections (linkable from the footer on virb.com) lead to pages which are still under construction. While this isn't altogether surprising at this early stage of development -- going live (after a private beta, no less) really ought to mean a finished product, and this could turn some vital early adopters away.

One of the most intriguing features -- and one that actually works -- is the ability to sync Flickr accounts to Virb* profiles, populating a "module" with a series of recent Flickr uploads. (A separate module is in place for photos that are uploaded from a hard drive.)

The "networking" aspect of Virb* appears to be pretty strong -- beyond the aforementioned iTunes and Flickr integration, users can search for and interact with friends by leaving announcements, blog posts and filling out user profiles. All pretty standard, really -- but with a tip of the design hat that (at first glance) pushes these offerings above similar Myspace fare. Still -- as Microsoft recently discovered with the Zune -- all the social features and networking in the world mean squat without a significant user-base.

In the end...

Virb* is certainly too young to read much into comparisons, especially considering Myspace has the obvious benefit of a sizable head start. With that said, a promising initial lineup appears to point to lofty goals that should make a strong and lasting impression -- especially for those who have grown weary of the ambiance surrounding Myspace.

Success will ultimately depend on walking a fine line: Grabbing a large enough user base to stay profitable on the one side -- grabbing the right user base to stay bearable on the other.

Virb* will most certainly win over the design crowd, but in the end -- that may not be enough to guarantee a strong showing against the behemoth that is Myspace.

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{"commentId":582405,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I've created a Newsvine group on Virb* -- if anyone is interested, membership is open.

A Virb* FAQ can be found here.

At any rate, I'm tired and any errors will be addressed tomorrow.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":583779,"authorDomain":"miasma"}

I was already on teh Virb, I clicked Join this group for the viners but nyet happened. Probably best. I ended up with a fiancee out of myspace. If Virb is anything like it I might sprout another head or something. illicitizen

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  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":603864,"authorDomain":"2timothy42"}

I created one as well. sectim42

On another note, I don't see why they don't allow JavaScript. There are a couple of things I would like to add with JavaScript (mainly relating to Flash).

In addition to that, I wish under their Blog section they would add a feature that allows you to import your blog from your site automatically. Facebook has this and it works great. It checks your Blog's RSS about 4 times a day and then when it finds something new, bam, it adds it.

I will say that I think besides the JavaScript and Blog suggestion, this place is amazing. I love that right now it seems to be attracting a lot of artsy people. I know once it gets more mainstream it will lose that a bit, but it is pretty sweet.

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  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":603875,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I've not sent any suggestions to the team -- but I recommend sending along your concerns.

I think the blog idea would be great -- as I've been "manually" reposting my Newsvine content to Virb (for the most part) and would love for some of it to self populate.

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  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":605070,"authorDomain":"mstickel"}

They're working on it. If you check out http://virb.com/is there's a list of recent and upcoming features.

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    #1.4 - Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:47 AM EDT
    {"commentId":605272,"authorDomain":"2timothy42"}

    They're working on it. If you check out http://virb.com/is there's a list of recent and upcoming features.

    Thanks for passing that along. I don't know why I couldn't find that in the first place. I looked around for something like that and for some reason missed it. These people really seem to have their head in the game. I love it.

    {"commentId":605272,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"2timothy42"}
      #1.5 - Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":582448,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
      {"commentId":582448,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
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      Reply#2 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:17 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582470,"authorDomain":"jcroft"}

      I love the Virb. I love Ryan, Brad, and the rest of the guys that created it. I loved their party at SXSW. And, of course, I love Jina Bolton's (tripwire) profile. I really, really, really hope it takes off.

      All that having been said, I fear it's too late for anyone to beat MySpace in this space. Virb is 1000% better as a product, so I'm hopeful -- but fearful at the same time.

      Will be interesting to watch.

      {"commentId":582470,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"jcroft"}
      • 2 votes
      Reply#3 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:31 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582814,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      As much "love" as you're throwing around -- and knowing that you're currently at SXSW -- I'm going to guess that you're a little drunk.

      ;)

      (At least this time I didn't get a text message that says: "Dude! Im SO DUNK!")

      As for Virb* v. Myspace, I guess I kind of meant to allude to the fact that I'm not really sure it's necessary to "beat" Myspace at all -- but I was tired and forgot to do it. I think they certainly have to hit a certain number of users, but I doubt very much that they have to hit "more" users than Myspace.

      I think "beating" Myspace might simply entail (enough) users to keep it going and a better experience for those who do come over.

      I -did- sort of allude to the fact that (IMO) less users of quality is better than surpassing myspace but (essentially) taking over its spot as a friend whoring station made up of people I don't want to socially network with in the first place.

      Though: I notice (now) that there isn't a chat feature, either. One thing I -hate- about myspace is that there's no way to ping someone and say: Hey! I'm online. Come talk to me.

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      • 1 vote
      #3.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:26 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":582502,"authorDomain":"kai"}

      Great article

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:59 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582577,"authorDomain":"cjlewis"}

      First glance, it looked really similar to purevolume.com and then...ah ha, read the about us page "Virb was created by the same folks who made PureVolume.com"

      Pretty cool. I really like the ads by google area. Very nicely integrated.

      {"commentId":582577,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"cjlewis"}
      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:41 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582805,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I'm not sure if that first photo is showing up for anyone else -- (it did for me last night, but isn't loading now) -- but I'm looking into it. If it doesn't come back soon, I'll probably just replace it.

      {"commentId":582805,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:21 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582846,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

      Hmm - I create an account and the site goes down. Figures. I have that effect on social structures. ;)

      {"commentId":582846,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"darkside"}
      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:50 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582859,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      It's down? It seems to be working okay on my end. Odd.

      {"commentId":582859,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 1 vote
      #7.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:55 AM EDT
      {"commentId":583027,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Yeah -- you've definitely borked something Myk -- I got your friend request, but attempting to visit your profile by clicking on your photo in my list takes me to a "page not found" dialogue.

      It's either an existential experiment -- or mussed up.

      {"commentId":583027,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:15 AM EDT
      {"commentId":583085,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

      good god damn. see? I toldja. I changed my URL but it only updated in certain areas. I just changed it back to that number I default to and at least that seems to work so now I'm consistant - it looks like I'm stuck at 338719900793030.

      {"commentId":583085,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"darkside"}
      • 1 vote
      #7.3 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:44 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":582878,"authorDomain":"munzilla"}

      Good article. Myspace is an atrocity in so many ways, and being the most visited site on the Internet, they have no excuse. Still, I'm GUESSING that they have a redesign and/or overhaul in the works, so hopefully VIRB can snag a lot of myspace's users before myspace actually gets their @!$%# together.
      I'm a big virb fan. Much cleaner and user friendly and customizable.

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      • 4 votes
      Reply#8 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:10 AM EDT
      {"commentId":582898,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Really? Myspace is almost "so" big that I can't imagine how they could overhaul their site in any meaningful way without major problems arising.

      {"commentId":582898,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 3 votes
      #8.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:20 AM EDT
      {"commentId":583171,"authorDomain":"munzilla"}

      With enough money you can do just about anything, but regardless I don't think it would be a huge chore to at least make the site more user friendly and less ugly. Improving the front end.
      Getting the site to crash and error less often should be a given (you would think), and it's ridiculous that it's so buggy.
      But, yeah, maybe they're taking an "if it ain't broke" stance (even though it breaks all the time).

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      #8.2 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583553,"authorDomain":"cjlewis"}

      Most big sites can't make a drastic change overnight without risking confusion and potentially losing their members. Because their users are used to their current design, they will have to do a gradual change, which may start with new pages, additional features, color change and page by page change one at a time. Remember how Yahoo and Ebay updated their website. It was almost like no one really realised that they have upgraded their site design. No matter what, they can't make a big change without risking losing their identity and brand.

      But it seems like Myspace have not made any changes (gradual) yet, but for a high profile site like Myspace, I am assuming they would have a future expansion in works. Interesting to see what they will do.

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      • 2 votes
      #8.3 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:11 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":582909,"authorDomain":"theinsideofmybrain"}
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      {"commentId":583000,"authorDomain":"braytek"}

      I'm no coder -- but it seems clear that the problems associated with Myspace are rooted in a poorly-built back end coupled with members' unchecked abilities to post audio recordings, videos and any number of animated images to their home page. Not since the early days of the "World Wide Web" has web real-estate been so -- abused. Myspace seems intent upon recalling the days of dancing cats and animated "under construction" signs: A simpler, uglier time when anyone could learn the basics of HTML and create a website -- and a time when just about everyone did.

      It's like you've reached into my brain and pulled out the very reason why I loathe Myspace.

      Great article. Look me up on Virb. http://www.virb.com/bwana

      I'll join the Newsvine group.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:01 AM EDT
      {"commentId":583116,"authorDomain":"webweasel"}

      Did somebody let their cat walk on the keyboard to come up with the name "virb"?

      {"commentId":583116,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"webweasel"}
      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:57 AM EDT
      {"commentId":583152,"authorDomain":"braytek"}

      Most likely a derivative of reverberate.

      Makes sense if you think about it.

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      • 2 votes
      #11.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:09 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583332,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

      I thought it was a play on the word "verb". You like it better than Myspace because it feels like you're actually "doing something". Get it? Verb? Doing something?

      My friend wanted to start his own site called Nown, but that's not as catchy.

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      • 5 votes
      #11.2 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:30 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583501,"authorDomain":"sthig"}

      I want to start a site called "flicker"

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      • 2 votes
      #11.3 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:41 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":583160,"authorDomain":"jetking"}

      It doesn't appear possible to upload music to Virb* and aspiring bands may need to contact the site administrators to inquire about the possibility, or to find out if it exists in some hidden capacity.

      Acutally, bands can upload music. You just have to create a "Musician/Band" account - as opposed to a "Personal" account. I was able to do the signup and upload bit no problem, and I'm certainly somewhat less than a local musician: http://virb.com/lloydtones/.

      I'd also like to chime in that Virb is pretty darn sweet in terms of usability from the account setup and music uploading side. Painless, even. And the fact that you can have more than the four little songs that myspace allows is a serious bonus. Add to that the album grouping feature and you're talking musician heaven. If, you know, you're a musician who's inclined to put up a bunch of music for people to download and all :)

      {"commentId":583160,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"jetking"}
      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:13 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583164,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Oh -- you're right -- I completely forgot that there were "types" of accounts.

      I'm going to update the review, thank you.

      {"commentId":583164,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 1 vote
      #12.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:16 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583240,"authorDomain":"jetking"}

      Glad to help, Brian. I understand why they do the different account type thing, but it's sometimes unnecessarily confusing :)

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      • 1 vote
      #12.2 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:51 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":583167,"authorDomain":"sthig"}

      Wow, Virb is pretty slick.

      I, like everyone else, have a myspace account (but I didn't litter it with crap and spent some time to make it look okay) but Virb is really nice. I may have to go build me a site just to play with the design!

      Of course the problem is (and as with everyone else)...

      "all my friends are on myspace, why would I want to change?"

      that said...I think Myspace is an abomination.

      {"commentId":583167,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"sthig"}
      • 1 vote
      Reply#13 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:18 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583214,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I'm about to go nail "virtual boards" to my myspace profile and point everyone to my home on Virb.

      {"commentId":583214,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"brianford"}
      • 1 vote
      #13.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":583209,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Updated with new information to cover jetking's correction. (It may take awhile for the cache to catch up.)

      Another thought: I don't see anything "official" relating to movies or movie studios.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#14 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:36 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583335,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

      I love virb. My sister invited me to the beta and I was instantly blown away. So streamlined, easy to use, simple designs, great site.

      {"commentId":583335,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"deatienza"}
      • 3 votes
      Reply#15 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583368,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

      this is honestly really a great article. i signed up at virb and joined the nv group.

      5 yrs ago i made my personal website and designed it to be spare, black on white, minimal frames (no internal scrollbars, etc.), so sites like this really make me happy. now if i can only get my profile pic to crop correctly...

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#16 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:41 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583480,"authorDomain":"gwenny"}

      This is much more tasteful. I have a Myspace page but all the skins are so loud and most folks' pages are so visually noisy. So I signed up for this and will see, in between messing with LibraryThing, Listal and Flixster I'll try to put something meaningful there. :D

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#17 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583512,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

      I doubt I will sign up with Virb (I already have my own domain/blog) - but I just wanted to say I really enjoyed the article. It had a nice pace and was well written. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on Virb.

      {"commentId":583512,"threadId":"84249","contentId":"610232","authorDomain":"finalcut"}
      • 1 vote
      Reply#18 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583806,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Thanks, finalcut -- as much as it's great to hear praise for Virb* (which I'm really liking, so far -- despite some minor quibbles) it's nice to hear praises for my writing coming from someone with no interest in signing up for the site under discussion.

      Comments like that help balance out my own doubts -- as well as the occasions when it's pointed out that my writing is dull and boring.

      :)

      I've got a lot to learn, but it's nice to be on the right track.

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      #18.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:26 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":583550,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

      If Web 1 was all about content, Web 2 is all about contacts. Arguably, MySpace epitomizes simplicity and adaptability by individuals to reach out to the world to leverage 'the power of many'. The whole thing about social networking is that it is evolving. Fast. Despite the huge success that sites like MySpace etc have had in a relatively short period, it pales when you look ahead at what's coming.

      Don't know anything about Virb but I have no doubt it will be richer than current. But logic suggests that it will morph into something much bigger. Immersive environments like SL is where big bets must lie. Collaborative learning, iterative development, social networking, crowdsourcing, innovation, etc - the speed of adoption of new ideas that these environments foster and nurture blows my mind.

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      Reply#19 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:09 PM EDT
      {"commentId":583575,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Building on what you say: Virb looks to be built in a way that it "can" evolve -- Myspace looks like it simply adds a layer on top of a layer on top of a layer -- but all of the layers are transparent so you can see all the lower layers, through to infinity.

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      #19.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":583766,"authorDomain":"miasma"}

      Also check out Mog.com

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        Reply#20 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:04 PM EDT
        {"commentId":583837,"authorDomain":"benno"}

        How is that different from last.fm ?

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        #20.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:50 PM EDT
        {"commentId":584783,"authorDomain":"miasma"}

        I'm on there also but never really took a shine to it.

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          #20.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:42 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":583811,"authorDomain":"jcroft"}

          Brian, I don't think I would say I was drunk last night (at least not very drunk), but it was late and i definitely didn't say one thing I meant to say:

          It's important to note that Unborn Media (formerly Neubix) are also the proprietors of the extraordinarily popular PureVolume.com and they have plenty of money to throw around. They've got backing from some record labels and venture capital, I believe -- they definitely are on solid ground to compete, here. These are not just a few guys in their house throwing this together. They're some of the most respected names in the web design community and they've already proven they're capable of creating a wildly successful community site (PV). They're also just damn nice guys, if it means anything.

          I definitely have my reservations about wether or not Virb will be able to compete with MySpace, but if anyone can do it, they can. Just to show where they're at, money-wise: Fox Media Interactive (the guys behind MySpace) had a nice party here at SXSW one night from 6-8pm. Virb/PureVolume is hosting an ongoing party, full of free booze and live music, for the entire duration of SXSW, both Film/Interactive, and Music. It's every single night for two weeks, and it's open until 4am. They're not @!$%#ing around.

          I, for one, had a great time hanging out with Ryan, the lead designer for Virb, at the MySpace party. There's nothing like taking way too many free drinks from the competition. :)

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          Reply#21 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:29 PM EDT
          {"commentId":583832,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

          Not having ever visited PureVolume -- I stopped by after reading your comment.

          I'm a bit confused: A Virb* Music account seems to duplicate the efforts of a PureVolume account.

          There seems to be some confusing crossover and (so far as I can tell) the two sites don't really integrate at all to alleviate having to join another site to pretty much do the same thing.

          Maybe I'm missing some differentiating factor or some function that would explain the disparities I see...

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          #21.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:47 PM EDT
          {"commentId":588804,"authorDomain":"mstickel"}

          Brian, the duplication you're seeing is probably the initial steps to something a little bigger that will be rolled out at a later time. While Virb has officially launched there is still much work to be done and integration of PV and Virb would definitely be on that list (at least it should be).

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          #21.2 - Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:39 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":583911,"authorDomain":"JoshMetts"}
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          {"commentId":584001,"authorDomain":"EarthAsylum"}

          For anyone that's interested, Baseline magazine did a pretty in-depth article on the Myspace woes and the technology...

          Booming traffic demands put a constant stress on the social network's computing infrastructure. Yet, MySpace developers have repeatedly redesigned the Web site software, database and storage systems in an attempt to keep pace with exploding growth - the site now handles almost 40 billion page views a month. Most corporate Web sites will never have to bear more than a small fraction of the traffic MySpace handles, but anyone seeking to reach the mass market online can learn from its experience.

          Inside MySpace.com

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          Reply#23 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:30 PM EDT
          {"commentId":605273,"authorDomain":"2timothy42"}

          For anyone that's interested, Baseline magazine did a pretty in-depth article on the Myspace woes and the technology...

          That was a great article. Real interesting read. Thanks for posting.

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            #23.1 - Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:37 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":584353,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

            Thanks for this review, Brian. It's definitely prettier than Myspace. I don't know how often I'll use it, but I like the thought of being to upload videos so I can show family/friends, etc., plus the flickrability.

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            Reply#24 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:43 PM EDT
            {"commentId":584367,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            :)

            It seems a bit easier to "interact" in a live-ish fashion over there, as well. That's why I'm hoping to see a lot of Viners sign up. I like that it doesn't really compete with what we do here.

            (Though, a feature which would "auto" cross post to Virb* might be nice.)

            I also wish they'd implement a way for me to initiate a chat over there. (If I see that someone is online, I'd like to "ping" them to an instant message session.) Though, I'm not sure if it's possible to tell if someone is online -- now that I think about it.

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            #24.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:51 PM EDT
            {"commentId":584383,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

            I agree, a chat function would be ideal.

            I just posted a video of my son in a wrestling tournament last year, just to see how it would work. It took forever, but it plays great.

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            #24.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:01 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":585436,"authorDomain":"tang"}

            I just joined virb the other day. I'll admit, it takes a lot to make me actually commit to using another social networking site. I usually register and if enough people I know show up, I'll put some effort into customizing my page and filling out my profile. There really isn't a *best* one of these. Myspace has the most friends on it (which is the only reason I use it) but has lots of spam and has a clunky interface, I like Vox, but it's slow and hasn't seemed to reach critical (social) mass, I can't find anyone I know on facebook (does that mean I'm old?) and now Virb. (friendster just plain sucks at everything)

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            Reply#25 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:54 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585516,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

            Calvin there is a newsvine group on facebook!

            By the way, are you the Calvin Tang that's a Washington Alum '00?

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            #25.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:33 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585769,"authorDomain":"tang"}

            Yay! Now I have friends on Facebook :)

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            #25.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:38 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585801,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            The trouble with facebook:

            They built their reputation on being "college only" and I suspect that a lot of people think that's still the case.

            I did until about a month ago.

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            #25.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585947,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

            Wait... Does this mean that I can be Brian Ford's friend on facebook as well?

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            #25.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:04 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585958,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            Sorry, I don't have a facebook account.

            :)

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            #25.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:10 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585978,"authorDomain":"tang"}

            damn. you got served.

            (I believe I owe Jack Huang a dance-off now)

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            #25.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:23 PM EDT
            {"commentId":585991,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

            Calvin, I guess you really are the end game of the Internet.

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            #25.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:30 PM EDT
            {"commentId":604238,"authorDomain":"smaran"}

            Hey Calvin, I'm on Facebook. :-)

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            #25.8 - Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:26 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":605882,"authorDomain":"jinabolton"}

            I found this by accident, and am flattered by the comments on my profile (tripwire). Virb rocks, hands-down. MySpace simply cannot compare. :)

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            Reply#26 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:19 AM EDT
            {"commentId":607306,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            Fate, accident -- who's keeping track?

            But -- don't mention it. Your profile is definitely kick ass. And, the Apple thing: Color my jealous.

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            #26.1 - Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:32 PM EDT
            {"commentId":609135,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            You can go ahead and color "me" jealous, too.

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            #26.2 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:54 AM EDT
            {"commentId":631079,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

            Funny thing, that. I helped Jina get into Apple (she's on my team), and she got me on Virb. 'Course, she managed to get the job on her own accord, and my Virb profile.. well, it's just a page :/

            ;-)

            Anyhoo, when I saw you (Brian) listed in Jina's Virb flist I was like, "how on Earth do you know Brian?" =) Funny to see Jina commenting here, now.

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            #26.3 - Mon Apr 9, 2007 9:53 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":634367,"authorDomain":"mattrobin"}

            MySpace Killer? Well, it would be sweet if that were true...I also agree that MySpace won't be abandoned by the masses overnight for the same reasons you've suggested.

            I was jabbering-on about Virb while it was still in beta...and keen to see all the web design crew I can think of pick it up and embrace it as soon as possible! I don't think I had much of an influence getting Jina on to the site (I think I mentioned it in passing)...but I'm glad she got her lush tripwire profile off MySpace and somewhere more suitable!

            Faruk's new profile design is really good, I'd also suggest a look at Anton Peck's profile...and Jeff Smith too.
            I could NEVER have named any of those three great designers in reference to MySpace!
            The Virb Era has started.... now let's see how far it gets. :)

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            Reply#27 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:07 PM EDT
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