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7 Questions: Daring Fireball's John Gruber

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Ask anyone with more than a passing interest in Apple Computer's products to list the websites they follow on a daily basis and there is bound to be a bit of response crossover: While several sites would be commonly represented (Macnn, Appleinsider, etc) the common element on all of the lists would likely be Daring Fireball.

Written by John Gruber, DF is something of a one-stop shop for all things Apple. (The official byline: Mac Nerdery, etc.) Topics range from advanced tips to general musings -- all written with a characteristic attention to detail (and accuracy) that has garnered Gruber well-deserved accolades. (Topics sometimes stray outside the Loop -- Apple does not have a monopoly on DF, either.) He pulls no punches (when punches are necessary) and it's important to note that he's as likely to call Apple out for a mistake as he is to defend the company against unwarranted (or unfounded) criticism.

Gruber described his role as an author in a July, 2003 column entitled Independent Days:

If asked to describe Daring Fireball with just one word, I would not choose weblog. Rather, I would call it a column. Given a few more words, I would call it as a Mac column in the form of a weblog. To me, the two great formats for writers are the book and the column, in the same way that the two great foot races are the marathon and the sprint.

A good columnist establishes a rhythm, writes with a distinctive voice, and connects to a regular readership. That's exactly what I'm striving for here. I don't want to publish it anywhere but right here, on my site. Daring Fireball is more than just words; it is an entire presentation.

It's that established rhythm and distinctive voice that keeps readers coming back -- looking forward to not only his full posts, but also the more casual "linked list" that he updates throughout the day.

In April of 2006, Gruber quit his job at Joyent to focus his efforts on Daring Fireball full time: He now earns his living through a combination of ad revenue (originally, Google AdSense -- currently, The Deck) and membership fees. While all content on DF is free, there are perks to becoming a member, such as a special members-only RSS feed which includes the linked lists. (For many, membership isn't seen as a way to earn such perks -- it's simply a "thank you" for a job well done.)

Aside from the full-time job of authoring DF, Gruber also co-designed Markdown, "a lightweight markup language" which "converts its marked-up text input to valid, well-formed XHTML."

I recently posed 7 questions (all loosely inspired by various DF entries) to which Gruber was gracious enough to send the following responses:

  1. Superman is Clark Kent. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Your best guess -- The Macalope is:

    I honestly don't know. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't say. I was never all that interested in finding out who Mac the Knife was, either.

  2. My personal favorite DF feature is the "Jackass of the Week" award -- so many of us debate the absurdity of these pundits with the hopes of scoring a zinger (and/or thinking that they will actually care) but it's obvious that what you say manages to get under their skin. In all your time taking pundits, etc. to task with the "Jackass of the Week" stamp -- who owes you the most money for replacement ink? ("Jackassiest" jackass?)

    Rob Enderle, I suppose. I'm not sure I've seen him say something about Apple that *wasn't* jackassed. George Ou seems to be catching up fast, however.

  3. The archives are full of good examples -- do any examples of extreme Jackassery stand apart from others in terms of absurdity? (I would think the Maynor/Ellch debacle has to rank high on the list, based on longevity alone.)

    Not at all Mac-related, but the most absurd has got to be Alton Vern, some guy in Texas who's trying to get "Fahrenheit 451" banned from his daughter's school, and who admits that he hasn't actually read the book himself. It's a book *about* book-burning, which he hasn't even read, and he's trying to get it banned. Jackass of the Week: Alton Verm

    The problem with the Maynor/Ellch fiasco is that it's just so complicated. There's definitely a lot of jackassery involved, but it's very difficult to summarize it.

    (Interviewer's note: Coverage of these events on DF as they unfolded was as comprehensive a summary as you're likely to find.)

  4. What can Apple do to lose the digital audio player market and/or what will it take for the iPod to be killed?

    At this point I don't think it can be killed. Worst case for Apple at this point is that it just slowly fades away, like with Sony and the Walkman.

  5. Who suffers more: The Colts if ever they lose Peyton Manning or Apple upon losing Steve Jobs?

    Apple losing Steve Jobs. Manning is terrific -- the best quarterback in the league today -- but there are plenty of other quarterbacks. There is only one Steve Jobs.

  6. Quoting from Think Secret:

    Nine months after Think Secret first broke the news of a touch-screen iPod, the first public evidence of the device's existence has emerged in a PDF Apple posted to developers recently regarding the iPod's notes feature. (Source)

    Claiming a scoop 9 months after-the-fact when no device has actually surfaced to support your initial assertion: Jackassery or desperation?

    Jackassery. There's no reason for them to be desperate. Almost every rumor they publish is wrong, and people keep reading.

  7. Speculate: Widely reported Apple rumor that is least likely to surface and widely reported Apple rumor that will -- but shouldn't -- surface?

    Least likely: tablet computer running Mac OS X.

    I can't think of anything rumored that I expect will actually appear, but "shouldn't". Apple has a pretty keen sense of what makes for a good product.

*****

7 Questions is intended as an ongoing series and it's a testament to John Gruber's openness that he responded to my questions almost immediately despite the fact that we've never met or corresponded. I am fairly certain that (some) future hopefuls will greet my request with silence and Gruber deserves a huge "thank you" for making my first attempt a success.

It's rare to stumble upon a column (especially online) that is professional, inviting and fun to read all at the same time -- but that's exactly what happened when I discovered Daring Fireball: Whether you're a long time fan or a first time visitor -- enjoy.

Interested parties can donate to become a DF member.

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{"commentId":363105,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Another great article about Daring Fireball. (Including a "greatest hits" list of columns.)

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Reply#1 - Sat Nov 4, 2006 5:59 PM EST
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#1.1 - Sat Nov 4, 2006 6:16 PM EST
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{"commentId":365278,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Good interview :)

Is the 7-questions series going to be about tech stuff only, or is it a kind of "anything goes" feature?

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Reply#2 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:06 AM EST
{"commentId":365301,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

It's going to be a: "I pester a couple people a week based on topics I find interesting (and people I admire) and posts the answers he gets" feature. This may make the feature somewhat random.

:)

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#2.1 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:15 AM EST
{"commentId":365471,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Cool, should be interesting then.

<-- always up for a web-related interview ;-)

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#2.2 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 10:49 AM EST
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{"commentId":365476,"authorDomain":"braytek"}

Great job Brian. I'm a big Gruber fan because he reminds me so much of myself. Nothing like no-nonsense, factual based, mac centric commentary. Truly a rarity on the internet today.

I'll consider registering on DF.

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Reply#3 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 10:53 AM EST
{"commentId":365539,"authorDomain":"braytek"}

And I'm now a member. So what's the secret handshake? :P

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#3.1 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 11:22 AM EST
{"commentId":365587,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

The first rule about being a Daring Fireball member is...

ah... nevermind.

;)

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#3.2 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 11:46 AM EST
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{"commentId":365628,"authorDomain":"baxter"}

I've said it before: John Gruber is bad enough to take Samuel L. Jackson's wallet.

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Reply#4 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 12:03 PM EST
{"commentId":365631,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

Good writing and reporting, as always, Brian. I'm not a huge follower of DF, but I really enjoyed this article I do drop in everyone once in a while to see what Gruber has been saying.

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Reply#5 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 12:05 PM EST
{"commentId":366459,"authorDomain":"kylerove"}

Nicely done.

Jackass of the week is definitely one of my favorites. The last round of DF t-shirts definitely prompted my DF membership. The increase in Gruber's output (articles and links) has been well worth every penny. I've even been wondering when I need to renew. Sometime soon, I think.

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Reply#6 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:49 PM EST
{"commentId":366694,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

If you're logged in and you click on the login panel of the membership section, it tells you when your due to renew.

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#6.1 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:31 PM EST
{"commentId":366700,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

err.. you're due to renew.

:)

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    #6.2 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:34 PM EST
    {"commentId":366942,"authorDomain":"kylerove"}

    ??? on that last one...

    Looks like I'm good until April. Sweet! Thanks for the tip.

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    #6.3 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 12:16 AM EST
    {"commentId":367377,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    Just correcting a spelling error in the last comment I made.

    Thanks for the tip.

    No problem.

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    #6.4 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 10:57 AM EST
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    {"commentId":366477,"authorDomain":"drew101"}

    Great article. I love John's site and he does a really great job keeping it updated with entries that interest me. I check it multiple times throughout the day hoping there is something new and there usually is.

    However, his support for members in my experience has been really shoddy. In fact, I am posting this in hopes that John will see it because e-mailing him regarding my problem has resulted in no response at all.

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    Reply#7 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":366686,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    Hrm. I don't know what to tell you.

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    #7.1 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:26 PM EST
    {"commentId":366810,"authorDomain":"susfour"}

    Drew,

    that's too bad, I've always gotten quick, personal responses from gruber.

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    #7.2 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 10:49 PM EST
    {"commentId":366863,"authorDomain":"drew101"}

    Yeah, I was surprised, and am still holding out hope that it's just a misunderstanding (like maybe he isn't getting my e-mails for some reason) Hopefully he will see this.

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      #7.3 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 11:18 PM EST
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      {"commentId":366685,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I noticed that my "votes" doubled in the last few hours and was a bit surprised until I figured out why: I'm on the DF linked list.

      :)

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      Reply#8 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:26 PM EST
      {"commentId":366719,"authorDomain":"jeffmuldoon"}

      Man I actually noticed from the linked list before I got here. I've always thought it would be so cool to be on there. Oh and great article.

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      #8.1 - Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:44 PM EST
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      {"commentId":366947,"authorDomain":"kylerove"}

      So has Newsvine been DFed or has DF been Newsvined? I'd do a Gruber-like Maynor/Ellch fiascoesque run down on that one, except that I need to get some sleep.

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      Reply#9 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 12:19 AM EST
      {"commentId":367027,"authorDomain":"mike"}

      Interesting note of trivia: I roomed with John at the Sebastopol Inn a few months ago for this year's Foo Camp. One of the nicest, smartest guys I've ever met. And both of us are apparently too pansy to actually *camp*.

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      Reply#10 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 2:53 AM EST
      {"commentId":367335,"authorDomain":"petergarner"}

      Brian, you have also been TUAWed (that's how I found this article). Great stuff. I look forward to other articles in this series.

      I read DF on occasion but don't subscribe. I like his writing style and generally enjoy the column, but the whole Maynor/Ellch thing seemed like a hissy fit to me. (Which is not to say that any of his writing about the whole incident was way off base; it just seemed to have an edge that bordered on the personal.) I eventually just started ignoring those columns. But otherwise, I admire him both for the quality of his writing and for his guts in trying to make a go of professional blogging.

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      Reply#11 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 10:34 AM EST
      {"commentId":367373,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I might agree with you on the Maynor/Ellch point if he hadn't turned out to be right about every single aspect of the fiasco. He asked them to put up or shut up -- they tried to play his game -- and they were never able to prove their case with evidence.

      That situation may have been one of the most overt examples of Apple-bashing in recent times and it really needed to be publicly disproved. Maynor/Ellch deserve to have lost their professional reputations over the situation and Gruber dedicated the time (and risked his -own- reputation) in an effort to make that happen.

      They may have escaped with a bit of their reputation in tact -- but it took a very justified beating.

      (Exciting news about my appearance on TUAW, though -- this is definitely getting more exposure than anything else I've ever written.)

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      #11.1 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 10:55 AM EST
      {"commentId":367387,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

      Brian: There's just something about Apple (and TUAW) that makes things just that much more popular on the internets. I speak from experience (and a bit of infamy).

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      #11.2 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 11:01 AM EST
      {"commentId":367454,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      The iBook sale may be one of the most poorly planned events ever.

      Every single aspect of that event should have sent up flags of concern and it was all preventable.

      Who thought: "We'll sell these iBooks at dirt cheap prices. We'll announce the sale and allow people to gather outside a gate hours in advance. (How many people could possibly want a slightly used Mac at dirt cheap prices?) There will be about a hundred yards between the gates and the iBooks. We will then open the gates and allow a "first-come-first-served" mad dash to the iBooks to ensue. What could go wrong?"

      I'm pretty sure if you look up "poor planning" in the dictionary -- Henrico County gets a mention.

      They should have issued numbers to people as they arrived or at the very least eliminated the sprint by removing the 100 yard gap.

      I remember seeing an picture of an old couple who were clearly there earlier than everyone else getting trampled by people who were able to run faster.

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      #11.3 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 11:23 AM EST
      {"commentId":367481,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

      The iBook sale may be one of the most poorly planned events ever.

      Brian: Not to derail your article any further here (I just thought the TUAW link helped to underscore the point about how all things Apple go to 11 on the internet), but yes. God, yes. It seemed like it would be such a funny thing to do, knowing we didn't have much chance of getting one. However, by the end of the day, I had the local news calling me to ask questions and I realized that the whole thing had gone so wrong. I wrote a lot about it back then, but you pretty much summed up many of the problems right there in a nutshell.

      Anyway, you have a great post on Gruber here and I'm really glad you are at the lead of citizen journalism on Newsvine. Too bad it wasn't around last year for the fun here in Henrico Co., VA.

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      #11.4 - Tue Nov 7, 2006 11:34 AM EST
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      {"commentId":373810,"authorDomain":"effgee"}

      "... the common element on all of the lists would likely be Daring Fireball. ..."
      Uhm no ... not really. I know plenty of hardcore Mac-nerds who get an immediate skin condition at the sheer mention of John's name. Myself, I don't find his musings offensive - just rather uninteresting.

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        Reply#12 - Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:55 PM EST
        {"commentId":373903,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        Sorry --

        "...the element that would appear on some lists but not others because some people find his work to be uninteresting..." didn't have quite the same ring to it.

        If you're not a fan -- that's cool. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

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        #12.1 - Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:33 PM EST
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