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The Critic(al) Condition: Roger Ebert

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Sometimes the worst news can hit you at the best of times: My wife and I were spending our 4th of July weekend in the relative tranquility of small-town America when I read that Roger Ebert was in critical (but stable) condition after a recent surgery.

I've sent him an email to wish him well but I feel that his excellence throughout the years (as well as the inspiration I've derived from his tireless effort) deserves more than a simple "get well soon" via email. It's been said that everyone is a critic -- perhaps it should now be said that there is only one Roger Ebert.

This, from wikipedia:

Professional art critics are expected to have in-depth knowledge of both contemporary art and the history of art, and thus be able to make informed assessments of art.

Despite the fact that this quote focuses on the fine-arts, it would be just as appropriate to replace the word "art" with "film" in order to approximate the definition I'm after. Unfortunately, critics often get portrayed as jaded and cynical commentators who discuss an art form which they cannot master. (Ironically, this characterization is usually pushed by artists who are at the unfortunate end of a critical drubbing. Utilizing their logic, doesn't this make them future critics?)

With the above definition in mind, Roger Ebert becomes the consummate critic: Well versed in film history and wielding a writing style that is biting, fair and accessible. Honest critics cannot be afraid to tell it like it is and Ebert never fails to entertain while dishing out his views. At any rate, professional film-critics are not so much failed film-makers as they are keen writers (by choice) with a finely tuned sense of quality regarding their interests. While many of us are loathe to admit it -- no one likes to concede ignorance -- the ability to discern the good from the bad and the ability to articulate that difference is not a skill most of us are born with. (It's even harder for many of us to discern the good from the great.)

This is where the extensive knowledge and education of a critic comes into play: We can't expect someone to know why Jackson Pollock's splatter paintings are considered to be great art (while random splatters of paint created by an elephant are not) if that person is not versed in the history that led up to Pollock. Film is a continuum and one would be hard-pressed to succeed as a 'great' critic without understanding that progression.

The Passion of the Critic

The gift that Roger Ebert brings to his field is an ability to write in a way that makes us (as laymen) feel less ignorant about film. We learn something about it's history by reading his column week after week. This is due to his obvious love for the medium and is infectious for anyone with even a passing interest in cinema. His views do not always match my own -- he often sees something in a movie that I dislike and vice versa -- but he never fails to convince me that he believes what he's written. As a result, I always respect his point-of-view. (Note: It is not the critics job to like the movies that we like, it's his or her job to inform us whether or not a particular movie will suit our personal tastes. It is for this reason that I advocate choosing your critic like you would choose your family doctor: Find one you like and stick with him.)

As a tireless advocate for movies that (he feels) deserve to be seen, Ebert will often use his clout as a promotional tool. Recently he attempted to rescue the overlooked family film Duma:

"Duma" has had test runs in the Southwest. Now it opens in Chicago, and the box office performance here will decide its fate. That is not a reason to see it. Moviegoers do not buy tickets to "support" a movie, nor should they. The reason to see "Duma" is that it's an extraordinary film, and intelligent younger viewers in particular may be enthralled by it.

He also operates the annual "Overlooked Film Festival" in Chicago. (An event that I hope to someday attend.) Expect Duma to be featured at some point -- if it has not already made an appearance.

While Ebert can be a film-maker's best friend, he can also be his worst enemy. Vincent Gallo learned this during a very public feud regarding Ebert's critical panning of Gallo's recent movie The Brown Bunny. Having called Ebert fat, Gallo soon found himself on the losing end of a wit-filled "war-of-words" which culminated with the following Ebert retort:

I will one day be thin but Vincent Gallo will always be the director of 'The Brown Bunny.'

True to his word, Roger Ebert lost that weight and Vincent Gallo is indeed still the (ever vain) director of The Brown Bunny. (They have since publicly reconciled: Smart move on Gallo's part.)

An Endangered Species

Unfortunately, Ebert is one (notably excellent specimen) of a dying breed: The internet (for better and for worse) has ushered in an era of citizen journalism as well as the notion of the accessible arm-chair critic. The maxim that I started this review with has never been more appropriate than it is in this day and age but I would alter it slightly: Everyone with internet access is now a critic with access to an audience. (I do not exclude myself from this generalization.)

Despite all this, Ebert stands above much of what passes for criticism in the age of Ain't it Cool News in that he remains (first and foremost) a critic. Meanwhile, Harry Knowles and much of the AICN crew are content to bang out text in an attempt to get invited on-set so that they can hob-nob (and network) with the stars. The written word has been relegated to a form of currency, used primarily to purchase schwag, promos and walk-on roles in hollywood blockbusters. Indeed, it feels more and more as though contemporary "critics" are writing love letters to the film-maker rather than conversing with the film-goer. In this arena, knowledge of film-history becomes a status symbol rather than an aspect of love for the medium. In short: They don't utilize this knowledge in order to become better writers or in an effort to educate their readers -- they hunt it, shoot it down and hang it over their mantelpiece as a trophy.

In 2006 (with the fine line between fan-boy and film-critic growing finer) Ebert has his feet firmly planted in the traditional and on the side of quality. It's as though he wants everyone to see (and come to appreciate and recognize) great movies, rather than force movies upon us simply because he considers them to be great. (Contrast this to film-festivals arranged by the AICN crowd where you feel as though you're being told what to like by people who do not respect -or care about- your personal tastes.) Ebert's method does not require membership into an exclusive (and hoity-toity) club: Great movies are for everyone.

Knowing Your Audience

Part of Ebert's brilliance has always been his ability to adapt: He knows how to write a review which targets an ever changing audience and which will suit particular tastes. He can be funny, introspective, angry or insulted but he rarely misses his target. Perhaps one of the best examples of this versatility is on display in his review of E.T. -- The Extra-Terrestrial for his "Great Movies" series: Everything that qualifies Ebert as exemplary comes through in this elegantly written review which takes the form of a letter to his grandchildren. It is also a perfect example of a review which stands apart from it's inspiration and becomes an artistic achievement in it's own right.

Make no mistake: Criticism is an art-form and Roger Ebert happens to be a master of the medium.

The rest of us are merely painting by number.

I've not even touched upon his crusade to improve our ratings system (one mis-rated movie at a time) or any of several other impressive aspects of his career but I will say that my writing has improved largely in part to having read the work of respected authors whom I admire. I can only hope that some of what Ebert puts out every week has made it's way into my own personal style as I probably read more of his work than any other author living today. His website is a treasure trove of quality: Essays, reviews and commentary dating back to the beginning of his career are gathered together to celebrate the life of a great American critic. I suggest you spend some time getting lost in his "Great Movies" essays in an effort to discover what so many other people already know: We all lose out if we miss even one upcoming Friday of new Roger Ebert reviews.

Get well soon, Roger.

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{"commentId":192228,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

Brian,

I'm so glad you wrote this. I was really troubled by his health problems, and I hope dearly that he recovers and is back to writing soon. Ebert almost single-handedly taught me how to love movies. He always tries to find something to love in a film, even a film that he hates (though it's not always possible - check out his review of Patch Adams if you want to blow some milk out your nose).

I don't always agree with him - but very frequently, whether we agree on the relative merits of a film or not, I find that he puts his finger on what makes the film work (or not). He has an uncanny knack for understanding why some things are likable, and why some aren't.

Anyone who has never read through his Great Movies archive really owes it to themselves - it really did change the way I watch movies.

I just wish he'd "gotten" the Matrix films, but nobody is perfect.

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Reply#1 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 2:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":192442,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Thanks, Mykola -- I have little hope that this will reach a broad audience (let alone the man himself) but I sorta felt I had to write it.

I didn't really "get" the Matrix films either. (At least, 2 and 3.) While I enjoyed them on the level that they were presented to me I certainly felt that they strayed away from what made the first entry so great: A story that couldn't really be told in any other way.

The second two seemed to lose focus and really boiled down to a battle of good vs. evil that "could" have been a western or it could have been a WWII movie, etc. It didn't feel original to me, whereas the first movie was a refreshing breath of fresh Sci-Fi when it was released. (At the very least -- it was something we hadn't seen done well for some time. Was it out before Dark City? I'm too lazy to look it up. I know Ebert definitely got "that" movie.)

Fortunately, we have the Animatrix which, in my opinion, brought back much of the wonder (and focus on story) that I felt was abandoned for a blockbuster effects spectacle for the filmed sequels. Being as they were essentially short stories in animated form I thought we got a lot of really intriguing thought pieces that really fleshed out the world of the Matrix.

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#1.1 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 4:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":192477,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

I dunno, I think Matrix 2 was my favorite of the bunch. I really enjoy the worldbuilding, the way when you think about it long and hard you can understand why everyone acted the way they did. I liked watching the programs as a sort of third faction. I liked that Smith was supposed to be one of the Machines but ultimately became human, and I like the way he had to become human in that every iteration of agents had to be able to interact with humans a little better than the last. Ultimately, agents would have had to develop into something indistinguishable from humans.

I also really enjoyed all the vaguely hokey kung fu stuff, but in spite of the sliiiight campy element I liked the fact that the Agents used chinese kung fu. It means that the Wachowski's kinda had to pick a martial art to choose as the most efficient way to engage in combat with a human body, and I'm glad that the one they choose also happened to be the most artistic and elegant.

I really liked the fact that Neo was just as inevitable as Smith, that they were sort of reciprocal sides of the same coin. I loved that a part of Smith's humanization was just irrational all-consuming rage at his inability to understand everything. I really enjoyed his little speech at the end of the third movie - "Why, Mr. Anderson? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Could it be that you believe that you're fighting FOR something? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know?" He is taunting Neo but he is also genuinely curious - he doesn't understand, and that scares him. And I loved that Neo's final solution wasn't to beat him, it was to synthesize with him - to accept Smith as a part of himself. Ultimately the battle was fought over understanding, and Neo won because he "got it" and Smith didn't.

Ebert's review bothered me not just because it overlooked all of these wonderful things plus a thousand more little details that only come out with repeat viewings and late-night brainstorming but because he simply got some facts wrong that were clearly explained in the movie, like he dozed off halfway through. That was kinda crummy.

But man, I love movies that only work if you have enough faith that they can and then you dig and dig and dig until everything that didn't make sense resolves itself. In the Matrix, as in Star Wars, I think it does resolve itself and the final package is a lot tighter and more consistant than it may at first appear. That's just my taste- I like having to work for it. ;)

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#1.2 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 5:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":192492,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Well, if that's the case -- I think you've just described a movie that is destined for critical failure. Ebert watches hundreds of movies and he gets a chance to see them once -maybe twice- before he gets to review them. As such, I wouldn't be disappointed that he missed the boat (in your view) because -- I'm not sure it could be avoided based upon your own description of what it takes to "get" it.

I'm not sure he could be expected to delve into it in the way that you have before coming to the conclusion that he came to.

Still, I have a problem with a movie that sounds more interesting when described by a fan than it was when I actually saw it -- even though I saw it more than once.

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#1.3 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 5:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":595046,"authorDomain":"ignoblus"}

I only wish Ebert the best, and I don't want to attack anyone else's feelings for him, but I would like to offer a different view.

Roger Ebert does not, to my estimation, know film. Films are about something, but Ebert insists on interacting with them in a limited way. ET begins with a suburban family home where the father is away and the mother is drinking. These are important elements to the film (in that they become non-problems once ET arrives) which is about the dysfunctional suburban family (as nearly all Spielberg movies are) on a deeper level than the one where it's about an alien and a boy. I want a reviewer who will focus more on things like that. The review of The Matrix is a good example where I think Ebert fails:

It interested me so much, indeed, that I wanted to be challenged even more. I wanted it to follow its material to audacious conclusions, to arrive not simply at victory, but at revelation. I wanted an ending that was transformational, like "Dark City's," and not one that simply throws us a sensational action sequence.

He want the film to answer his questions inside the film. At the time I saw the movie I was dating someone who knew quite a lot about religion including early Christianity. Turns out there's some serious theology about love from the Holy Ghost resurrecting Jesus. So, it isn't "just an action sequence." (In fact, it never is.) Here's a review (from an amateur critic, no less) that demonstrates the sorts of things I want in a critic:

Nobody in the film seems to be particularly ethnic; and that's appropriate. They are products of a culture without roots. The film's best gag is the fact that the teenagers in 1958 are generally undistinguished to those in 1980. The teens in the film are extremely bored. Time can't be wasted quickly enough, and in the film we see them go swimming, sing songs, play strip Monopoly. There is an aggressive anti-intellectualism in the characters; and for that matter anti-spiritualism.

Now, I didn't like the film reviewed there. But this is an interesting take on it. If I saw it again, I might understand better what the filmmaker was going for where perhaps I was too bored before. I might like th film a lot more than I did. Probably not, but then this is a film that spawned a lot of sequels - it's certainly reflective of something in the culture worth understanding better. Here is another from the same reviewer of a film I love:

The movie isn't quite so crass as to say that the priest, the recruiter and the therapist are Nazis. The film makes them out to be more silly than dangerous. But there is a connection that needs to be made here. The evil of the Nazis is purely a product of institutional groupthink. Both those who ran the Holocaust and those who were killed in it were individuals degraded into objects. They were able to kill because they were devalued as individual moral entities, and they were able to BE killed because they were devalued as individual living entities. The film is arguing that the priest, the recruiter and the therapist are products of the same dysfunction that produced the Holocaust.

I think that bit is just flat wrong, has completely mistaken the reference. But it's something that makes me ask myslef why it's wrong, that guides me (even in it's being wrong) to getting more from the film. Now, these are not the sorts of reviews (completely casual about spoilers, for instance) that you'll find in most newspapers. But there are some critics in newspapers who have this sort of framework (Elvis Mitchell, for example) and I find them far more informative in helping me decide. More than that, though, I find them interesting to read.

To love a film is to see it as art, to see it as communicating, and to engage in a dialogue with the film. For Ebert, he wants the film to be a monologue. Not only does that bore me most of the time, but it never really gets into the interesting things that make film into film. How does, for example, Charlie Chaplin (as a director) imitate Leni Riefenstahl to give small bits of The Great Dictator a different feel? If you love film (and not just stories where a film is one way of telling a story) those are the questions I think you'd be interested in.

Here'sa bit from an Ebert review:

Astaire and Charisse get into a furious fight the first time they meet, and then, in the scene where the movie's magic first begins to work

I quote that only to contextualize something else:

The opening credits of Vincente Minnelli's "The Band Wagon" play over a top hat and cane, which would remind us of Fred Astaire even if he weren't the star of the movie. Then we join an auction of movie memorabilia. The top hat and cane don't sell, even when the auctioneer pleads, "50 cents, anyone?" They belonged to a has-been hoofer named Tony Hunter, and now we see him, played by Astaire, on a train to New York City. Maybe he can make a comeback on Broadway. From the way he sings "By Myself," he doesn't seem hopeful.

I saw this with a class that fully expected to be bored to tears by a musical. They weren't. I expected to be bored to tears, too, but I agree with Ebert that this is a great film. Thing is, as Ebert opens his review, he doesn't talk about how the film is making self-deprecating jokes right from the start, which is a big part of how this film won everyone in that class over. Ebert treat that bit as pure formalism, but it's much more the magic of the movie than when Astaire first meets Charisse. Mostly, he talks about the relationship between the subject matter and an actual theater production - as if it weren't the case that "backstage" musicals are a major subgenre of both stage and screen musicals. But he doesn't really connect with it as if he's paying attention.

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    #1.4 - Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":595318,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    I guess I'll just have to respectfully disagree.

    I think a quick jaunt through his great movies series disproves this:

    Roger Ebert does not, to my estimation, know film. Films are about something, but Ebert insists on interacting with them in a limited way.

    From his "Great Movies" review of My Neighbor Totoro:

    Miyazaki's films are above all visually enchanting, using a watercolor look for the backgrounds and working within the distinctive Japanese anime tradition of characters with big round eyes and mouths that can be as small as a dot or as big as a cavern. They also have an unforced realism in the way they notice details; early in ''Totoro,'' for example, the children look at a little waterfall near their home, and there on the bottom, unremarked, is a bottle someone threw into the stream.

    You say:

    To love a film is to see it as art, to see it as communicating, and to engage in a dialogue with the film.

    Ebert is known for doing frame-by-frame evaluations of movies with an audience. I think he's well aware of the art, and I think he opens up a dialogue by doing so.

    But, I will say this: I think you're describing a critic who is in no way accessible to anyone other than the most devoted to film history. (In fact, you appear to be discussing a film historian -- of the sort who "lectures" about film, rather than reviewing them.) While I certainly don't concede that he "doesn't know film" I think what he does know is how to write about film in a way that makes ordinary people want to know about film. I think he cares about film a great deal, and I think he writes about it accessibly and eloquently.

    One last link:

    Ebert's review of Grave of the Fireflies
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    #1.5 - Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:44 PM EDT
    {"commentId":595871,"authorDomain":"ignoblus"}

    I don't see Ebert doing the sorts of things I'd like to see a respected critic do. The link you provided confirms this for me. I haven't seen the film but a few points about the review particularly stand out:

    It tells a simple story of survival.

    I doubt that.

    Their story is told not as melodrama, but simply, directly, in the neorealist tradition.

    Neorealism was highly political, and it's hard to make any sense of the description that it's "a simple story of survival" told "in the neorealist tradition." Beyond that this is not true of Japanese animation in general and is severely limited even in respects to American animation:

    "Grave of the Fireflies" is an emotional experience so powerful that it forces a rethinking of animation. Since the earliest days, most animated films have been "cartoons" for children and families.

    The bit on Ozu (who is one of the greatest ever) is better, but probably unoriginal and limited.

    I think you're describing a critic who is in no way accessible to anyone other than the most devoted to film history. (In fact, you appear to be discussing a film historian -- of the sort who "lectures" about film, rather than reviewing them.)

    To some extent, this is true. It's not a film historian, but a film critic in the same sense of the word critic we use when we speak of literary critics. There are plenty of examples in popular (if perhaps snobbish) media, though - Elvis Mitchell who I mentioned in passing above, Pauline Kael who used to be at The New Yorker. There isn't really a need to be inaccessible, though. You don't have to be a film historian to understand them, though certainly the more you know about film the deeper their reviews are, I'm sure. If they tend to be inaccessible, that's just an historical quirk.

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      #1.6 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:39 AM EDT
      {"commentId":595920,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I doubt that.

      I don't. Having seen the movie in question -- I can confirm that it is a "war movie" without the trappings of "right or wrong" or "good and bad" -- it's just a recounting of what happens to those who are most affected by war: Those caught in the middle.

      There's no side to "root for" in this movie - and I think his description is apt.

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      #1.7 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:55 AM EDT
      {"commentId":595983,"authorDomain":"ignoblus"}

      But that is a politics. There's no getting around that.

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        #1.8 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:21 AM EDT
        {"commentId":597088,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        I don't get your dislike of Ebert. I know some don't like him because they feel he is too popular and mainstream but I don't think that makes him bad. I used to not pay attention to him for that reason but the more I read of him - not the light stuff but his essays - the more I was impressed.

        Also, if Ebert is so bad why did he win the Pullitzer? They don't just hand those out to anyone and if they did, well, then I want one too.

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        #1.9 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:40 PM EDT
        {"commentId":597366,"authorDomain":"ignoblus"}

        It's not his popularity. It's not his taste even. There's more to criticism than what he offers, and on the criteria one would reasonably set there, Ebert is just not good. What drives me crazy is a tendency to view films as something less than art.

        Compare this:

        He increasingly feels like he is fighting alone – and he is right. His life becomes a sordid combination of separation anxiety and rejection. Even Avner's mother, in a brief conversation toward the end of the film, becomes an appendage of the state. When he asks her "Do you want me to tell you what I've done?" (in a sense, begging her to be his mother and listen to his anguish) she responds by saying, "whatever it took, whatever it takes, we have a place on earth, at last," a syrupy dose of Zionist propaganda that rings hollow in Avner's ears.

        to Ebert's version:

        The film has deep love for Israel, and contains a heartfelt moment when a mother reminds her son why the state had to be founded: "We had to take it because no one would ever give it to us. Whatever it took, whatever it takes, we have a place on earth at last." With this statement, I believe, Spielberg agrees to the bottom of his soul.

        Now, of course, though these are about the same movie, they serve slightly different purposes. Ebert wasn't about to go into the sort of descriptive depth that Magid did. But if you watch the movie again, I'm sure you'd agree that Ebert is off the mark here, and in contrast just how relevant Magid is to the film, how alive the theme of family is. (As an aside, I noted above that pretty much all Spielberg was about healing the dysfunctional, suburban family?) And the reason he is off the mark is that he takes the film too casually. He won't treat it as art - good or bad, all films are art - he won't go into it on that level.

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          #1.10 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:42 PM EDT
          {"commentId":597385,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

          But, the first review sounds pretentious and overtly political -- and falls into the trap I discussed earlier:

          It's not really accessible.

          I think you look for something in a critic that the vast majority of us are never going to look for.

          But, as you yourself allude -- the comparison between those last two articles is hardly valid, as the objectives are completely different.

          With that said, I'm content in my belief that Ebert is a great author, and worthy of esteem.

          At this juncture, we should just agree to disagree.

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          #1.11 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:51 PM EDT
          {"commentId":598370,"authorDomain":"ignoblus"}

          I don't think the Magid article is inaccessible at all. Yes, it is political, but it's a political film! Whether you take a stand or not, how can you analyze it without getting into politics?

          But I didn't say the comparison was invalid. I acknowledged that the goal of the two articles was different, but from the bit I excerpted from Ebert, you can see that he gets an important detail wrong because he won't go to that level. Different people want different things from a critic, and that's fine, but even if Ebert doesn't present his reviews at that level he should go there to get it right before coming back to us at a simpler level. The film just plain doesn't have the deep love for Israel that Ebert says it does. Ebert is just flatly wrong on that, and there are other reviewers who are better that kind of stuff.

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            #1.12 - Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:51 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":192516,"authorDomain":"spring"}

            I love Roger Ebert. My favorite review of his is for North, where the title of the aforementioned book (Hated this Movie) comes from.

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            Reply#2 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 5:47 PM EDT
            {"commentId":192642,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            Definitely a good one. (I meant to mention in my first response to Myk's first comment that you would be the other person who actually read this -- I can always count on you to chime in on my Ebert topics. That makes 3 of us.)

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            #2.1 - Wed Jul 5, 2006 7:27 PM EDT
            {"commentId":193023,"authorDomain":"grey"}

            Make that four. I've always been a big fan of Ebert. Back in the Siskel & Ebert days, I was actually a bigger fan of Siskel (mostly because I agreed with him more often), but since his death I've really grown to appreciate what a great writer Ebert is, besides being arguably the most influential film critic in history.

            Three other points of interest which might augment your excellent article, Brian:

            I managed a local video store for about four years, and over that time my staff and I discovered that Ebert's zero-star reviews (of which North is one) are usually the most fun to read of all of his work. He's written fewer than sixty of them in all the years of reviews that are archived on suntimes.com; compare that with the one or two four-star reviews he writes per week and you can see just how rare they are. We actually put together a section of his zero-star movies in the store along with a few of the reviews themselves. You'd be surprised how many movies would rent just 'cause his review was so amusing. You can get to an archive of all of his zero-star reviews from the Advanced Search page at rogerebert.suntimes.com.

            Also, Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, the best-known of the three films which Ebert actually wrote (which are all interestingly rated X, by the way), was just released for the first time on DVD by Fox as a nice special edition which includes an Ebert commentary track.

            And lastly, speaking of Ebert commentary tracks, every one of them is a gem. In fact, they tend to be worth the price of the DVD they're on all on their own. The one on Dark City is particularly good. And the track on Citizen Kane is a classic in its own right. I thought I appreciated that movie before I'd heard Ebert talk about it, but boy was there so much more going on than I had ever been aware (that movie, for instance, is just as much a special effects flick as Star Wars or King Kong even though you'd never know it at this point).

            Anyway, here's hoping Roger gets well incredibly soon.

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            #2.2 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 1:43 AM EDT
            {"commentId":193232,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            I actually had something in an earlier draft of my article that touched upon the movies he was involved in but decided it wasn't fitting well with the rest of my article. I'm glad you touched upon the new DVD release.

            As for his reviews -- I usually read them at least twice. Once before seeing a movie and once after. Some of my favorites (like the E.T. review I link to in the article) I can read over and over.

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            #2.3 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 9:16 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":193185,"authorDomain":"RNDrake"}

            Brian,
            Mr. Ebert truly is the master of his medium, but he's not so big-headed that he doesn't have time for his readers. I once took him to task over a review I very much disagreed with and instead of shrugging me off, he actually answered me back. Then he probably shrugged me off, but at least he took the time. And just for the record, I think his reviews are head and shoulders above Roeper's. God speed Roger Ebert. We need you well and are praying for you.

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            Reply#3 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 8:27 AM EDT
            {"commentId":193236,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            I can relate to that:

            I once wrote something on Newsvine about movie theaters and the rise of home theaters (and the threat this poses) and sent it to him thinking he might enjoy it. He posted it on his website and it was a huge thrill for me to see that kind of recognition (especially considering I don't really consider myself to be a great writer) from someone I respect so much.

            I've also appeared in his answer man column -- as silly as I felt to be "proud" of that: I was.

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            #3.1 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 9:19 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":193204,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

            I've just spent the past hour going over his great movies list again.

            Man, if this man can't make you love a movie, I don't know who can. He taught me almost everything I know about appreciation - I suppose I always LIKED movies, probably would have even called myself a movie buff, but until I read some of his more passionate reviews I had no idea what it was like to truly, truly understand a film. As I've always believed that to understand and to love are synonymous, I can say I never loved a movie until Ebert opened my eyes.

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            Reply#4 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 8:56 AM EDT
            {"commentId":193239,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

            Perhaps we should look into the idea of an informal "Newsvine Great Movies Night" where people can rent or buy an agreed upon selection from his list to watch. People can organize an event with multiple people or simply watch it with their significant other (or with friends) at home.

            The goal being a night where interested parties can all watch the same movie and then discuss it on a comment thread. (This is obviously a rough draft of the idea -- we could flesh it out somehow.)

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            #4.1 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 9:22 AM EDT
            {"commentId":193727,"authorDomain":"spring"}

            I like that

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            #4.2 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 12:55 PM EDT
            {"commentId":194296,"authorDomain":"grey"}

            I'm all for that as well.

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            #4.3 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 5:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":595401,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

            I really like the movie night idea and was thinking about it over the weekend.

            I would love to do a newsvine movie nite or a movie discussion. This can be done via people posting separate reviews connected with tags or are sharing a thread.

            I've led movie discussions at my church and since it's a Unitarian church I get the joy (especially with my Catholic background) of showing movies like Dogma and Life of Brian.

            The biggest crowd I drew was for Supersize Me and Michael Moore movies

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              #4.4 - Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:47 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":193699,"authorDomain":"baxter"}

              Ebert also gets extra bonus cool points for his colloboration with Russ Myers.

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              Reply#5 - Thu Jul 6, 2006 12:39 PM EDT
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              Reply#6 - Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:24 AM EDT
              {"commentId":594104,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              Great piece, Brian.

              I'm another huge fan of Roger Ebert.

              He's also incredibly witty.

              You mentioned his fued over Brown Rabbit but the one that cracked me up more recently was this one

              http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/products/?isbn=0740763660

              by Roger Ebert

              U.S.: $16.95
              Canada: $20.95
              ISBN-13: 978-0-7407-6366-3
              ISBN-10: 0-7407-6366-0
              Publisher: Andrews McMeel Publishing
              Format: Paperback
              Published: February 2007
              Category: Performing arts
              Detailed Specifications

              Roger Ebert's I Hated Hated Hated This Movie, which gathered some of his most scathing reviews, was a best-seller. This new collection continues the tradition, reviewing not only movies that were at the bottom of the barrel, but also movies that he found underneath the barrel.
              From Roger's review of Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo (0 stars): "The movie created a spot of controversy in February 2005. According to a story by Larry Carroll of MTV News, Rob Schneider took offense when Patrick Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times listed this year's Best Picture nominees and wrote that they were 'ignored, unloved, and turned down flat by most of the same studios that . . . bankroll hundreds of sequels, including a follow-up to Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo, a film that was sadly overlooked at Oscar time because apparently nobody had the foresight to invent a category for Best Running Penis Joke Delivered by a Third-Rate Comic.'

              "Schneider retaliated by attacking Goldstein in full-page ads in Daily Variety and the Hollywood Reporter. In an open letter to Goldstein, Schneider wrote: 'Well, Mr. Goldstein, I decided to do some research to find out what awards you have won. I went online and found that you have won nothing. Absolutely nothing. No journalistic awards of any kind. . . . Maybe you didn't win a Pulitzer Prize because they haven't invented a category for Best Third-Rate, Unfunny Pompous Reporter Who's Never Been Acknowledged by His Peers. . . .'

              "Schneider was nominated for a 2000 Razzie Award for Worst Supporting Actor, but lost to Jar-Jar Binks. But Schneider is correct, and Patrick Goldstein has not yet won a Pulitzer Prize. Therefore, Goldstein is not qualified to complain that Columbia financed Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo while passing on the opportunity to participate in Million Dollar Baby, Ray, The Aviator, Sideways, and Finding Neverland. As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, and so I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks."

              ------------------------------
              I've always hesitated to watch the Dolls movie because I worried it would lower my opinion of him… but knowing it has a commentary track makes me re-think that position.

              When I watch a movie I always look for the reviews of it by my two favorite reviewers: Ebert and David Edelstein of New York and (until recently) Slate. If one doesn't get it and capture my thoughts – or enhance my thinking or point out something I miss – than the other does.

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              Reply#7 - Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:31 PM EDT
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