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Open Letter to the RIAA & MPAA, the Anti-DRM Contingent, Apple and Everyone Else

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:25 PM EDT
technology, music, movies, apple, steve-jobs, copyright, piracy, drm, riaa, mpaa
By Brian Ford
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Welcome to the digital age. Some of you are here against your will and some of you are helping to pave the way. Many of us are waiting with bated breath to see what the future holds when it comes to music technology and innovation.

This letter is wide in scope yet narrow in focus. There are multiple parties involved and everyone seems to be reading from a different book. It's a simple story really, involving a war of sorts. Like most wars, this one is being fought by two sides -- both purporting to benefit the common good while innocent civilians sit on the sidelines and await an outcome (any outcome) so that we can get on with our lives.

I'm going to address each of you individually because I believe everyone has a stake in the future of digital media. I also think everyone could stand to try a little harder.

The RIAA & MPAA:

I'll get this out of the way up front: Artists deserve to be compensated for the hard work and creativity that they display when they make music and/or movies. Most people recognize this. Piracy is an issue that needs to be dealt with and that should have repercussions. You are completely within your rights to exercise any and all of your options when it comes to litigating against those who violate copyright law. With that said: Please be reasonable. The vast majority of people who enjoy the content that you are protecting do so lawfully. While DRM is (thus far) fairly invisible, it's clear that you would like the trend to move towards more DRM protections/restrictions at the expense of customer satisfaction. Many of the artists that you represent are proving that it is possible to release DRM free music without fear of massive loss in revenue. (Pearl Jam being a great example.) Further, it is also true that some of the artists that you (or organizations like you) represent are unhappy with (or at least uncomfortable with) the idea of Digital Rights Management. (Canadian Music Creators Coalition Website)

It's very clear that the RIAA was not ready for the Digital Era and their lack of foresight is currently catching up to them via lost opportunities. Unfortunately, the MPAA does not seem to have learned from that very public mistake and appears content to duplicate the errors.

A suggestion: The solution to poorly implemented (and quickly cracked) DRM is not better or more sophisticated DRM. It's been said before but it bears repeating: Your enemy is smarter than you and they will always have the upper hand. Nothing you introduce will ever be safe. The solution is to concede that this war is not winnable and to focus on making new friends rather than new enemies.

Returning to Pearl Jam and other major label bands who release unencumbered music: You need to allow these bands the option of providing their music free of DRM on iTunes. (Or anywhere music is sold.) A willingness to bend would go a long way in earning a little respect from the buying public. As for the MPAA: Stop the madness before it starts. If we're going to purchase a digital copy of a movie; that movie should be able to be burned onto an authored disc for use in my DVD player. It should look and sound as good as anything I would buy from a local vendor (on an official DVD) -- and it should cost less. Otherwise, you will lose this battle.

A short note on lawsuits: I realize that every so often you're going to nab the wrong person. (You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?) With that in mind, it's important that you drop the attitude that everyone is guilty and that there are no mistakes. (It doesn't work for our president, either.) This supports the idea that you're making bull@!$%# omelets. Most of us prefer cheese and bacon.

The Anti-DRM Contingent:

I suppose I should qualify "anti-DRM" with the word "strongly" because I imagine that there are people who dislike DRM but still manage to put up with it. (I myself am a good example of that type of person.) No, this is addressed to those who think that DRM is the root-kit of all evil and that any compromise must be completely one-sided.

This is addressed to the radicals.

I'll be perfectly blunt: You are not helping. You are so opposed to the idea of the RIAA, the MPAA and DRM that you can no longer see past your own obsession. Your unwillingness to bend merely fuels the RIAAs and the MPAAs of the world. Your narrow focus and defense of an indefensible action (file-sharing) means that you'll never be taken seriously -- and with good reason. People who share thousands of files at this stage of the game do not need or deserve our sympathy; they know the risks and have decided to play the odds. As such, you need to put some serious time into rejecting the ideals of piracy while continuing to fight against DRM. The solution to dissatisfaction cannot be to promote, condone, or engage in the very activity that is causing your enemy to implement restrictions. Damn the pirates just as you damn the RIAA because they're both wrong.

A short note on lawsuits: Please stop harping about the innocent victims who are swept up in the (somewhat) crazed pursuit of perpetrators. Yes, it sucks. Still, if you can point me to more than 5 people who have actually had to pay money but did not engage in file-sharing; I'll be very surprised. If a person settles a case in which they know they are innocent: That person isn't very intelligent.

Just for the sake of comparison:

Mistaken identification by an eyewitness is the leading cause of wrongful conviction cases in the country – an estimated 4,500 innocent people are wrongly convicted each year. Furthermore, nearly 75 percent of cases where individuals were exonerated by DNA evidence involved mistaken eyewitness identification.

These are people who are sent to jail. These are people that are actually convicted of the crimes for which they are wrongly accused. These are people that deserve your outrage. Yes, it's unfortunate that a few innocent people are wrongly accused of sharing music, but please let me know when any of those people are serving time in prison, on death row or are even forced to pay any fines. (Let alone put to death.) What happens with the 'RIAA v. File Sharers' happens in all criminal cases. (As I've pointed out, other criminal cases often entail consequences that are far more serious for those wrongly accused.) Should we stop pursuing criminals? Of course not.

In short: Stop speaking for the rest of us. Your radical nature tends to fuel the fires of war and most of us aren't as invested in the cause as you would demand. I (at least) never asked for your help and don't believe that you're helping much anyway. You're breaking as many eggs as the RIAA/MPAA, and a bull@!$%# omelet tastes like @!$%# no matter which side prepares it.

Apple (C/O Steve Jobs):

Full Disclosure: I'm a fan. I've never purchased a computer from any other company. I own an iPod Shuffle and just purchased a Nano for my wife. I have probably legally bought and downloaded close to 400 songs from the iTunes Music Store.

With that said: Please keep at their throats. You have the opportunity to be the good guy. You could be the salve that cures this disease. Fight the good fight and continue to compromise when necessary. You've won a significant battle by keeping downloads at a single price-point.

It's important that you keep pushing for more. Every restriction that you loosen is a point in your favor. Music fans want more choice. Movie fans will want better choices. (Utilizing a mid-range codec for music has been deemed acceptable by most of us -- this will not be the case for movies. Fight for high quality.) Give us the option of a lossless format in both cases. Fight for the ability to burn a DVD of any movie we download. (I suspect that the most of us could even handle mandatory trailers and/or commercials as a compromise.)

Most importantly: The time is near. It's imperative that you start to allow some music to be offered without DRM. You cannot give the RIAA the upper hand in this instance. If "Band A" is open to selling their music without DRM -- you need to sell their music without DRM. I have argued for a long time that the iPod can stand on it's own and that it's popularity is not a result of lock-in via the iTunes store and I firmly believe that you are in a position to open up some of your music without risk of losing sales to other "non-iPod" devices.

Do this first and you win another few years of dominance. Do this last and you may see your market-share begin to erode for the first time. Why not contact Pearl Jam to discuss this? (David Bowie would be another great place to start.)

If you hands are tied and this is not possible: Make it clear that this is where you want to go. Let us know that you're fighting for us.

In short: You no longer need fairplay. You're the best, and I can't wait to tell people "I told you so" when the iPod continues to dominate without the supposed 'vendor lock-in' factor.

Everyone Else:

If you do not feel I addressed your position above, this section is aimed squarely at you. In essence, we're sitting in the same boat stranded at sea. You want to listen to music. You don't want to apologize for liking and listening to bands who are represented by the RIAA. You are excited about the prospect of downloading movies and burning them to a DVD but fearful that you latter won't be an option. DRM is a nuisance at worst and you would like to see it go away eventually. You used to illegally download a lot of music but, true to your word, switched over to downloading it legally when the opportunity presented itself. (There may still be rare instances in which you download one or two songs from Limewire.) You have no interest in boycotting something and if you do you probably agree that the alternative is not to take as much music as you can for free. (A boycott isn't much of a boycott if you're still getting the music. It's akin to going on a hunger strike and hooking up to an IV for nutrients.) Although it doesn't really bother you when people make a habit of downloading mass amounts of music for free, you don't feel particularly sorry when they get busted for doing so.

What you do not have to do is sit on the sidelines. Buy music legally if you want to. At the same time, write letters and articles about the direction in which you'd like to see the music and movie industries headed. Do not blindly support piracy. (Unless it's the cool kind of piracy.) You can be against the idea of DRM and still enjoy music and movies that implement it.

In short: You hate the taste of bull@!$%# omelets. (You also hate being force-fed.)

In conclusion:

Please: Let's be reasonable.

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CMF

That comic cracks me up. I think my favorite part is Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:21 PM EDT
Brian Ford

It's a little known fact that you can actually "see" reality distortion emanating from Jobs if he stands against a dark background.

I tried to represent this through squiggles.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:15 PM EDT
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Ugly Bastard

I think we should be allowed to steal music, TV shows, and movies. I think we should be allowed to cheat on our taxes. I think we should be allowed to pilfer grapes at the grocery store.

So what if it hurts some else? Long as I get mine?

(Brian, you going to censor this post too?)

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:38 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Nah, I think everyone should be allowed to see the stupidity on display, this time.

However -- I'll be happy to exercise my right to do so if you take it any further.

  • 13 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:43 PM EDT
Adam Hobson

Ugly Bastard, did you even read this article? He is not saying that we should be allowed to steal anything. He is merely saying that the current methods are not consumer friendly and the trend is towards the negative. Instead of obsessing over the possibility of piracy, the RIAA and MPAA should instead be focusing on the most efficient and effective way to deliver content to those who do want to pay for it.

  • 9 votes
#2.2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:50 PM EDT
Sean S

So what if it hurts some else? Long as I get mine?

There's the world view that is erroding American freedom, right there. The only environment in which autonomy actually works is where it's self-controlled. "As long as I get mine" demands government intervention and therefore an actual loss of freedom.

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:32 PM EDT
Corey Spring

Mission accomplished, Brian.

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:19 PM EDT
Ross Graham

Ugly Bastard you are already allowed to do any of the things you have mentioned ... just be ready for the current consequences of the choices you make. I'm sure you'll end up getting yours.

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:38 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Great point, Ross.

  • 2 votes
#2.6 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:41 PM EDT
Brian White

Ugly Bastard, how do you steal TV shows? You can record them from over the air to your VCR or computer or Tivo or standalone dvd recorder already right? That's the one that I really don't get content people being upset about. How can you suffer monetary damage when you give your product away for free and time shifting is already established as completely legal?

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:01 AM EDT
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Adam Hobson

Brian, great post! I completely agree that the media industry needs to focus more on how to deliver content better to paying costumers than on piracy. Many pirate not only because it is free, but because it is easy, it is near instantaneous and you never need to leave your computer.

I also feel that with the RIAA continuing their anti-consumer ways and with the rise of many great independent artists, that the major record labels may not be major for much longer unless they undergo a drastic change. Some may think that this is not possible, that these companies are far too big and powerful to just suddenly collapse, but in an age where AT&T is bought by a former baby-Bell, and GM considers bankruptcy, anything can happen to an outdated corporation that refuses to adapt to the new world.

Regrettably the major film studios are far safer in their power. There has been a rise in independent movies lately, especially with the reduction in costs that digital video offers, but this rise pales in comparison to the rise in independent music. Also the independent film studios or truly independent film makers still need to play nice with the current studio system if they have any hope of any kind of distribution. Luckily, there has been a bit more adaptation from the movie studios as services such as Netflix are good starting points on alternate content deliver systems to give the customer what they want as fast and easy as possible. However, as is pointed out in this article, the next step needs to be high-quality, if not high-def video transfers. Recording onto DVD would be nice, but for me personally, I have a RAID-server I made just to store all the ripped files from the DVD so that I can access them with a click of a mouse, much like an iTunes setup but for video, rather than an mp3 collection (however this is technically illegal for DVDs, but not for creating MP3's out of CDs, thank you DMCA. Who wants to mess with actually disks anymore? People not as geeky as me, I guess.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:17 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Adam -

Thanks for your reply. (As well as your response to UB above.)

I think the ability to burn to a DVD is going to remain important for the time being. It provides portability and a media that most people have access to.

For my part, I'd love to have a server with all of my media on it that can play on a TV. (I'm waiting with bated breath for Apple to introduce something innovative and have written about that in other articles here on Newsvine.) Still, those files "must" be high quality for my widescreen LCD TV and they must have good audio. Otherwise, I will not be interested. Again, I notice little difference between a AAC at 128 and a CD. (My audio equipment -and most people's for that matter- doesn't detect the difference.) However, it's a different story. I would miss surround sound. I would notice the artifacts on a badly encoded movie. I want -at least- what I get out of buying a DVD or else I will continue to just buy DVDs. Because I will be sacrificing extras and because they won't be spending money on packaging, etc... I want it to be cheaper.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:27 PM EDT
Adam Hobson

I want -at least- what I get out of buying a DVD or else I will continue to just buy DVDs. Because I will be sacrificing extras and because they won't be spending money on packaging, etc... I want it to be cheaper.

First, it will not be cheaper due to threats of DVD sellers who will fear losing business to cheaper downloadable movies. This I can kind of understand, though I hope we will not have to deal with it for long.

Quality-wise, I wish I could find a link to this article announcing a new codec that puts the H.264 codec to shame. The compression to quality rates were amazing.

Audio-wise, AAC at 128 is near CD quality, and I got that from a music professor of mine who hates audio compression, but was rather impressed with the AAC. Also AAC can hold up to 48 tracks of audio, so it can support 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 surround sound systems, perhaps it is just the Apple version that is stereo only, or perhaps they just have not utilized the full functionality of AAC at this time. In fact DVD files, MPEG-2, actually use AAC audio, which is MPEG-2 layer 7 (what DVD's use) or MPEG-4 layer 3, which is what Apple uses.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:45 PM EDT
Elliot Vos

I think Brian has a very valid set of reasons for why downloadable movies should be cheaper. They're the same reasons why downloadable music albums are cheaper. DVDs will still sell for the same reason that music CDs still sell. The two are quite analogous, really.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:27 PM EDT
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Sean S

Brian, great article/letter, but it left me wanting. Perhaps that was your intention?

I know you're a level-headed individual, and full of all kinds of common sense, so none of what you've said surprises me. What I'm missing is actual ideas for solutions. I know you'd like to leave that up to the people in charge, but I think that's just the problem: They're just as confused as everyone else. These companies (Apple included) are all scratching their heads wondering what to do. So do you have practical solutions?

Now, I agree that the first step is to get everyone on the same ("reasonable") page. (What you've written is a call to just that, I understand.) Still, sometimes in order to get unity, a common goal must first be presented. Remember America during the weeks that immediately followed 9/11? In danger of being crass, I think the entertainment industry needs a 9/11 -- or, in simpler (gentler?) terms, they need a wakeup call.

I believe the wakeup call could come in the form of an "insanely great" idea. I also believe that idea could come from common folk (poke, poke). So ... what do you propose? :)

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:42 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Hrm...

I guess I just don't see the need for an insanely great solution.

I suppose the greater point I wanted to make is that two sides are so intent upon "all or nothing" solutions that neither is willing to admit that the obvious solution would also work fine.

Give us high-quality without DRM. It won't affect piracy as piracy seems to be doing just fine "with" DRM in their way. It will make customers happy.

They will argue that DRM has cut down on Piracy. I argue that the iTMS (and others like it) has cut down on piracy.

I think unencumbered music would cut down on Piracy even more.

Some of my solutions in the article were:

Stop supporting piracy even if you don't support the RIAA
Drop DRM entirely
Provide the quality that we already get via DVD

I think they'll find that if they work "with" their customers -- their customers will work with them. They'll still deal with piracy, but they'll be more likely to have our sympathy if we're not getting @!$%#ed (DRM) so that they can deal with it in ways that clearly aren't stopping it anyway.

The solution to this won't be advanced technology -- it will be accepting that digital is the foreseeable future and not trying to hold back the inevitable.

Both sides need to pull their head out of the ground.

The rest of us need to express very clearly what it is we want from our digital media while making it clear that we will respect the rights of the content creators. Burning "a" disc for your friends is one thing: distributing 1000 via a P2P network is another. (The RIAA and the MPAA need to accept this too.)

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:48 PM EDT
Sean S

I think they'll find that if they work "with" their customers -- their customers will work with them.

I'll be the first to subscribe to your methodology, Brian. I'm a posterchild for the iTunes, open and fair way -- I've spent over a thousand dollars at the iTunes Music Store over the last 3 years ...

But we're both decent individuals. What of those like Ugly Bastard who, in their own words, don't care about the consequences of piracy? They have a "stick it to the man" approach. Do you think that just because companies open up their policies that will change?

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:12 PM EDT
Brian Ford

No, I don't.

I guess my argument is that those people will -always- exist and that attempting to thwart them only makes them want to hurt you more. And it also requires that you hurt a loyal and paying customer base.

The greater good would be to accept a certain amount of shrink and to appease those who (mostly) follow the rules.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:44 PM EDT
Tim Baxter

Sean, I think
(a) most people are generally decent (I know, it's debatable, but I think it's true)
(b) most people don't have a problem with paying a nominal fee to support the artists they enjoy
(c) Convenience, fast downloads and being above board can trump free
(d) Peer sharing works by having a lot of people. If most people are willing to download through "official" channels, the unofficial channels have less value.

  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:49 PM EDT
Sean S

... And it also requires that you hurt a loyal and paying customer base.

Boy, do I understand this first hand.

The greater good would be to accept a certain amount of shrink and to appease those who (mostly) follow the rules.

The "greater good" or "lesser of evils"? :)

I understand you fully, and completely agree with you. I just don't think the solution will come [easily] from all the parties involved just being "reasonable." I think what Tim says (below) about critical mass of the artists themselves taking control is probably more likely a catalyst for change.

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:56 PM EDT
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Tim Baxter

I've been able to view (as a bystander) the front lines of this through the musician website I run. Interestingly, among the people most affected (the musicians) opinions vary WILDLY on what could, or should, be done.

What's clear to me is that we're currently in a transitional period and in the not-too-distant future all of this will be moot. I suspect a critical mass of musicians will figure out that they don't really need the recording labels, and they CERTAINLY don't need the "mainstream" distribution channel, and they'll just DIY it.

Before that will happen, though, we'll need to see a continued contraction of the "mainstream" channel - which is almost a given. Retail store record sales are in a freefall already. Wal-Mart is the largest one left, and even their sales are beginning to flatten as more people just hit ITMS or other online outlets.

And we'll have to see a critical mass of music buyers who are willing to buy a non-major-label release. But as the physical music product becomes less common, it's much less likely to even be aware of which label a favorite artist is on. Who cares? So we'll see indie labels become common sales points among more than the coffee-swilling hipsters.

And then someone would have to figure out some type of online distribution/payment system for the artists that just aren't interested in signing their life away to the major labels. Ideally, the songs would be available through a major outlet, like the ITMS, or else the whole thing could be ghettoized, but it IS possible, and in some form or another, almost inevitable.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:08 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Great comment.

I've long thought that Apple should just buy Apple Records and become a distributor.

There would be some logistics to overcome: The benefit of a label is that they front money to the big name bands for touring and packaging, etc.

I think that Apple would have to be a different kind of studio. (One molded for the digital era.)

Profit would have to go mainly to the band -- this would mean that Apple would not be paying for their world-tours, etc.

(I suppose they'd be more like an indy studio.) At any rate, I think this would eventually be a good thing because fame usually ends up wrecking the great bands anyway. (There are exceptions... but most of these learn how to scale back their fame to a manageable level.)

This would also allow Apple the opportunity to sell some music without DRM (by taking my strong suggestion of nixing it) and at the set price that Steve likes.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:07 PM EDT
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wolfger

Great letter. I just have one nitpick:

If a person settles a case in which they know they are innocent: That person isn't very intelligent.

In a world where justice is free, this would be true. In the real world, it quite possibly means that the person simply doesn't have much money, and the settlement is cheaper than a court battle (which, incidentally, decreases the income of the defendant, who misses work, but does not cut into the income of the plantiff who continues to make millions on the backs of starving artists, and who does not, in fact, attend the trials at all, but merely sends a fleet of well-paid lawyers). Not to mention the fact that innocence does not guarantee the verdict will be in your favor. A fleet of RIAA lawyers versus whatever you can afford in your defense; you are likely to get steamrolled.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:26 PM EDT
Brian Ford

I suppose that could be true.

Still, I'm not aware of anyone who was -clearly- innocent that has had to go through a court process.

I've seen people who profess innocence but wasn't convinced that they actually were.

Again, if anyone can point me to an instance where someone was definitely innocent and still dragged through the legal system, I'd love to read it.

If I was told to pay $2500 dolllars "or" go to court and I didn't own a computer, for example... I'd write letters, I'd do everything to avoid both of those scenarios. And, I don't think it would be hard to do, either.

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:00 PM EDT
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ScooterDMan

Great work here, Brian. Also, I love the comic.

My gripe here has always been that I am the sworn enemy of the RIAA, when, in fact, I believe I should be the posterboy.

I download more music than I buy (a great deal more than I buy), but I spend a great deal of money on the artists I support. In most cases, I would have never had exposure to these artists were it not for the albums I downloaded. Once I consider myself a "fan," I do my best to see a band in concert when they swing by my state, and I buy their new albums and live releases as they become available.

Last year, I went to seven concerts (bought CDs or other merch at each) and purchased around 20 CDs. I'm not sure how much more the RIAA would like me to spend, but I think asking anymore than that would be unreasonable.

I am not sure if you are familiar with The Future of Music: Manifesto for the Digital Revolution, but in it, the authors suggest a solution that makes a lot of sense to me. They forsee a future wherein our entertainment media are like household utilities. We pay nominal monthly fees to access enormous amounts. It would be like paying an extra water bill.

They're argument is far more elborate than that, I promise, and it's worth checking out. You can listen to or read the first chapter here.

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:08 PM EDT
mikeomatic

I'm one of those here against my will. So, if this idea seems old, not hip, whatever, I apologize.
Music, movies, whatever are initially released on super encrypted, alligator rhythms whatever. After a reasonable time (28 days... or l;onger) they are released in varying stages of copy inhibiting locks. At some point you get them for a quarter. Just like buying a VHS of The Big Lobowski at a garage sale.

Why is everything so gol-damned complcated?

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:13 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Well -- it doesn't seem "old or not hip" but it "does" seem a bit complicated. I think that confusing the customer with timed price points (and also with varying degrees of copy protection) would probably be a bad idea. Certainly not much better than the current scenario where there are different "types" of DRM on different files.

I think the simplest solution is to offer us a reasonable product at a reasonable price without DRM. With the first two parts of the equation in place I think the 3rd part wouldn't be an issue for the content providers. (Or, any worse than it is always going to be no matter what they have in place.)

Still, at least you're suggesting something. They seem content with a failing strategy.

  • 1 vote
#8.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:17 PM EDT
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Brad Farris

Brian, do you think that there is any importance to the issue of artist compensation versus fatcat/suit compensation? I can't imagine that anyone would disagree that artists deserve compensation derived from their copyright. How do we deal with the issue though, that a large number of people who are not the artist and who have absolutely no part in the creation of art are deriving gigantic profits from copyrights which they obtain from artists and buy and sell like commodoties? Not to even mention that nearly all of the time it is these very fatcats and suits who promote DRM and initiate expensive lawsuits. It is very easy to imagine that new distribution paradigms can be created which bypass traditional fatcat/suit-based distribution channels, but before they can become useful, won't artists have to be convinced to adopt them?

Really, I see the problem like this: people are willing to pay for music and movies and every other form of art which they would be interested in possessing. Apparently, they are not willing to pay $20.00 for a CD, although $20.00 is what has to be charged in order to compensate both the artist and the fatcats/suits who are involved in the distribution chain. It is easy to imagine, then, that without those distribution costs, artists could be compensated at a reasonable rate and consumers could purchase art at a rate which they are willing to pay. Is there something wrong with that idea?

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:19 PM EDT
Brian Ford

Well, I almost think it's a separate issue. Recording contracts are pretty complex. The trouble is, the studios are -paying- for a lot of @!$%# when they sign an artist and -especially- when they sign an artist that they really want to promote. So, I think the biggest shame is that the little guys get screwed in order to help promote the big guys.

Still, these bands sign the contracts gambling on getting big. Gambling is gambling and I have a hard time sympathizing when they don't pay out.

I have hopes (as outlined in a comment above) that alternatives will pop up as the current model grows outdated.

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#9.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:22 PM EDT
Adam Hobson

Adding onto what Brian Ford said, even the costs associated with smaller artists signed to major labels are huge and the risks large. The A&R costs before even signing the artist, recording time and a decent producer costs quite a bit of money, the marketing, even production and distribution have costs, and now many music and electronic stores want money off the wholesale price to promote albums more noticeable in their display. Many of the smaller artists are not selling 2 million records to make all this up either.

Granted the guys on the business end are making great money, but many of them started from the bottom making @!$%# money. Entry level music positions pay next to nothing, especially considering they all require you to pay rent and cost of livings in major cities, often NYC. The guys that stick with and advance their careers are just getting what is finally due to them. If the artists don't like their profit cut they can DIY it or go independent, which many have. Just look at how much bad music is popular, most of these artists would never get where they are without the record label's help. In a sense the label created the artist. Besides, as most smaller artists treat it, the album is more of a promotional material, concerts are where the money is at. Anything from an album is extra.

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#9.2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:02 PM EDT
Brian White

I hope to see a huge increase in DIY music publishing. Fugazi and Henry Rollins were always heros to me for creating publishing companies to avoid dealing with the BS you get with record companies.

    #9.3 - Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:09 AM EDT
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    oldfogey

    If all computer users were readily identifiable, most of the problems mentioned would disappear on their own, along with a myriad of other Internet problems.

    See? Simple answers to complex problems. See my Keeping the Internet Safe.

    Thanks for being here.

      Reply#10 - Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:18 AM EDT
      Brian White

      So how do you know which user is using the computer? I've never used a multi-user environment at home, too much trouble when you're trying to explain to the wife that your My Documents folder isn't the same as her My Documents folder. You can't depend on a log in on a site or anything like that since they're often automatic. Your article only describes how people could do this in a specified area of the internet (and doesn't go into technical detail) while P2P networks would emphatically not operate in that area of the internet. The other thing that would disappear oldfogey is dissident students in China posting anonymously. Anonymity is a double-edged sword.

        #10.1 - Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:14 AM EDT
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